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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eduardo Bravo

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a Mexican former footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep - found two sources, very quickly, that indicate some form of notability, especially in the realm of Mexican football. This source and this source, which explain how he would make his debut in the Liga MX at age 29 due to the starting goalkeeper's injury, and this source (comes from here), which I think is really strong as a contribution towards WP:GNG. Talks about how he got his shot to play in the first division for the first time at age 29, talks about his past with UAEM and Atlante, and how he was one of a group of players who went from Cancun to Queretaro after a club was rebought. Pinging GiantSnowman as requested, and Azarctic because why not. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Source 1 - nothing towards GNG, Source 2 has zero GNG, source 3 and 4 (the same thing) has 7 lines specifically on Bravo. This is not a GNG pass based on the sources provided. Dougal18 (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what you're saying is that source 3/4 does confer something towards GNG. Here is what it says specifically about him (excluding the title): Eduardo Bravo se convirtió en el nuevo portero de la Liga MX, al debutar la tarde de este sábado en el arco del Querétaro. [...] Alex Diego –necesitado del triunfo para seguir con vida en el Guard1anes 2020– tuvo que acudir a su tercer arquero, Bravo, quien nunca había jugado en Primera División. [...] Formado en las categorías inferiores del Toluca, el tapatío, de 29 años de edad, ha tenido procesos en la Segunda División, con la Universidad Autónoma del Estado de México, y en 2015 pasó al Atlante. [...] Este portero fue uno de los futbolistas que emigró de Cancún a Querétaro, cuando el grupo inversionista adquirió la franquicia de los Gallos Blancos, durante el verano. En el semestre, Bravo apenas había disputado tres partidos con la Sub-20, en los cuales recibió nueve anotaciones. I'll let you do some Google translate. This content is honestly quite solid. It's five significant, long sentences. Talks about him and there's nothing WP:ROUTINE about it. It goes more than just surface level. This source clearly counts towards GNG, no question about it. It meets all the criteria. Sources 1 and 2 are a bit more shaky, but here's what they say on him: La lesión del guardameta titular, Gil Alcalá, obligó al Querétaro a utilizar a Eduardo Bravo, quien no tenía experiencia en la Primera División. [...] A los 29 años de edad, el portero Eduardo Bravo debutó este sábado en la Primera División con el Querétaro en el duelo ante Necaxa, debido a la lesión del guardameta titular Gil Alcalá, quien sufrió una lesión muscular y estará fuera de actividad de dos a tres semanas. [...] Ante esa situación, el cuerpo técnico encabezado por el estratega Álex Diego no tuvo alternativa que debutar a Bravo. and Gallos de Querétaro debutó este sábado frente a Necaxa al portero mexicano Eduardo Bravo Ávila, de 29 años de edad, para el partido de la Jornada 15 del Guard1anes 2020 BBVA MX. Bravo estará en lugar de Gil Alcalá... Although there is much less true content here, I think that the first source just scrapes by GNG criteria for "significant coverage" (it addresses Bravo directly and in detail, it's NOT just a trivial mention of him). All other criteria is easily passed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dougal18: And if that wasn't enough, here is more significant coverage on him. It can be found here. It says Jugador del partido: El debut: De acuerdo a un comunicado de prensa, con 29 años de edad, Eduardo Bravo debutó en la portería de Gallos Blancos, el arquero comenzó su formación en la Sub-20 con la escuadra de Toluca, tuvo un breve paso con la UAEM, para después regresar con los Escarlatas. Para el Apertura 2012, regresó a la UAEM hasta el Clausura 2015 en el Apertura 2015 mudó de equipo, se enfundó con la playera de Atlante y para el Apertura 2020 llegó a reforzar al cuadro queretano. Esta tarde jugó 90 minutos. Once again, this is clearly GNG-passing— it meets all the criteria, from presumed to independent of the subject. It passes the "significant coverage" criteria, most notably. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's one event sourced multiple times. "De acuerdo a un comunicado de prensa" translates as "According to a press release" therefore disqualifying that a source.Dougal18 (talk) 08:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's still a secondary source, independent of the subject. Not disqualifying at all. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Subject fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Of the above mentioned sources, all are from the same date so that fails WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Two of the sources are also from the same publication, so the count as one for the purposes of establishing notability. All that said, none of the sources have anything significant on the subject, only that he his making his league debut at the age of 29. It simply isn't enough for a GNG pass. Alvaldi (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. All four links are utterly routine transactional reports derived from the same press release and do not count at all towards GNG. The last one is also trivial. As Alvaldi mentions, another requirement of notability is SUSTAINED coverage, and that is objectively failed if all we have are four refactored press announcements from the same day. JoelleJay (talk) 02:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's the press release. Clearly fails WP:N's requirement for independence, emph mine: It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information. JoelleJay (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The sources brought into the conversation above are not WP:SIGCOV; they are WP:ROUTINE coverage to be expected about a changeup in team rosters, or they are routine match coverage. They don't get us to WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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