Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erekosë

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Erekosë

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Non-notable fictional character. lo prenu .katmakrofan. (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not eligible for deletion per ATD and PRESERVE. Because we could merge and redirect this page to The Eternal Champion (novel) from whence this character originated, it will not be deleted. James500 (talk) 08:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but that's not how AfD works. There being an alternative does not rule out deletion, because making things into redirects is not always the right option due to the potential for recreation (redirects are very easily reversed or ignored)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - That is not correct. Redirects can be protected against editing. If necessary, they can be fully protected so only admins can edit them. As a problem that can be fixed without deletion, this falls squarely under the policies WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. As far as I can see, the permitted deletion criteria in WP:R do not include "might be recreated". This is exactly how AfD is supposed to work, it is just that the policies are sometimes flouted. James500 (talk) 10:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - We do not violate our core deletion policies like WP:ATD-M just because something bad might happen. That's assuming this is even a candidate for deletion, which is unproven and which I will address below. Jclemens (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Even if the nominator hadn't blithely ignored the quite extensive body of commentary and criticism about Moorcock's scores of interlinked fantasies, it is evident that, as James points out, the content should be preserved in some form. And that's even without taking into account the utter absence of any reasoned argument for deletion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Eternal Champion (character) as the obvious move for this non notable article, although the notability of that article is also dubious and you are free to nominate it for deletion later if it turns out not to be notable. I feel like they might both end up having to be merged into The Eternal Champion (novel)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Michael Moorcock: Fiction, Fantasy and the World’s Pain (book), Disguising Doom--A Study of the Linguistic Features of Audience Manipulation in Michael Moorcock’s The Eternal Champion (paper) are two independent RS, with a time-limited and nonexhaustive search. GNG is met, merging would have been a better option per WP:ATD-M regardless, etc. Jclemens (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Notable per Jclemens. James500 (talk) 07:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I'd prefer delete but can't argue with the refs noted above, there are none in the article. Szzuk (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.