Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esprit Lodge

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The result was keep‎. RL0919 (talk) 21:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esprit Lodge

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I cannot find WP:CORP level of notability for the hotel or the rafting company. They exist, and the fire was in the news, but nothing lasting. Likely copypasta "Students from around the world travel here to learn" but it's an old article and I cannot find the source. Note, significant false positives in a BEFORE thanks to the CLub Med rebrand using espirit. Star Mississippi 20:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The text of this article does sound like it was culled from a brochure. MNewnham (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Companies, Travel and tourism, and Canada. Star Mississippi 20:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Fletcher, Katharine; Fletcher, Eric (1999). Quebec: Off the Beaten Path. Old Saybrook, Connecticut: Globe Pequot Press. p. 102. ISBN 0-7627-0276-1. Retrieved 2024-02-20 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Return to Route 148 from the chutes; turn left, then right after about 1 kilometer, toward Davidson. Go through this old lumber town and find the lane to Esprit Rafting on your left. From April through October, you'll find Jim and Erin Coffey primed and ready to pitch you into the heady world of river adventure. (Call, year-round, 800-596-RAFT for information, or contact Esprit at Thomas Lefebvre Road, Davidson, Québec JOX 1R0; camping is $15; hostel dorm is $20). Whether it's a canoe trip on the Noire (Black), Dumoine, or Coulonge Rivers, whitewater rafting on the Ottawa, a kayaking or swiftwater rescue course—or simply a camping spot or hostel bed—the Coffeys will make absolutely sure you have an unforgettable experience. Jim won't let you forget to take in the sunset from the back deck or the rocky beach. Jim and Erin are the real thing: They have sustainable ecotourism as their honest-to-goodness goal. We've traveled with them down the Ottawa and also on one of their Mexican trips. We recommend them highly."
2. Hale, James (2007). Frommer's Ottawa (3 ed.). Mississauga, Ontario: Wiley. p. 209. ISBN 978-0-470-84035-1. Retrieved 2024-02-20 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Esprit Rafting. Offering day trips and longer-stay outdoor adventure packages, Esprit Rafting operates on the Ottawa River about 11⁄2 hours by road from Ottawa; the company can arrange transportation between Ottawa and the rafting site. They offer a wide range of adventure packages, including white-water rafting, white-water canoeing, white-water kayaking, and riverboarding. You can add horseback riding, mountain biking, or a bungee jump to your package. Esprit offers a great family white-water experience. In the morning, the family (children must be age 7 or older) rafts together with the assistance of an experienced guide. In the afternoon, children under age 12 take part in supervised shore activities while parents and children over age 12 take a more adventurous trip through the rapids. The day trip meets at a rendezvous point along the highway; get directions when you call to make your reservation. Overnight accommodation can be arranged at Esprit's private 2-hectare (5-acre) peninsula on the Upper Ottawa River, where camping facilities (tent and sleeping bag rental) and a hostel provide a place to sleep. There is a lodge serving meals, and activities include kayaking, canoeing, volleyball, and mountain biking."
3. Karr, Paul (2000) [1998]. Hostels Canada: The Only Comprehensive, Unofficial, Opinionated Guide (2 ed.). Guilford, Connecticut: Globe Pequot Press. pp. 64–65. ISBN 0-7627-0616-3. Retrieved 2024-02-20 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Situated on a beautiful five-acre point of land on the Ottawa River, this establishment's main business is whitewater rafting and tours. But the newly certified hostel is sure to be a welcome addition for travelers heading west up the river in search of adventure. The hostel consists of two buildings: a main building with the tour headquarters and hostel kitchen and showers, plus the actual accommodations (that is, the bunks) in a separate lodge. Rooms vary in bed size. A sitting room has facilities for game playing and a fireplace, too. You'll certainly spend lots of time outdoors here; the staff offers canoe trips, canoe rentals, kayaking lessons, water-rescue instruction, and (of course) the famous rafting runs. There's a small general store in Davidson for essentials and a few restaurants for budget-busting splurges. All in all, a laid-back place where you'll feel at home lounging around on the deck, snoozing in the hammock, walking among the pine trees, or fishing the river."
4. Fedio, Chloé (2016-05-21). "Esprit whitewater rafting lodge in the Pontiac destroyed in fire". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2024-02-20. Retrieved 2024-02-20.
  The article notes: "Everyone got out of the almost century-old pine lodge safely but the building where Coffey started Esprit Rafting near Fort Coulonge, Que., 25 years ago was destroyed, he said. ... Once part of the timber trade on the Ottawa River, the building in the Pontiac region of Quebec was transformed into a gathering point for rafters and the greater community, with a restaurant, live entertainment and offices to run the business. ... Esprit Rafting, headquartered in Davidson, Que., about 120 kilometres from Ottawa, does whitewater rafting, canoe and riverboarding trips on several rivers, including the Ottawa River, the Gatineau River, the Magnetawan River, the Petawawa River, the Kipawa River and the Magpie River."
5. Fletcher, Katharine (1998-06-27). "The Adventure Zone. Three West Quebec tourism operators create build-your-own action getaways". Ottawa Citizen. ProQuest 240192156. Archived from the original on 2024-02-20. Retrieved 2024-02-20.
  The article notes: "Esprit is an accredited International Hostel, with new facilities. As with most hostels, the accommodation is spartan, but don't let that deter you. ... Want to try whitewater rafting down two channels of the Ottawa River? If so, Esprit Rafting of Davidson, Que., west of Fort Coulonge, is the only outfitter that runs both the middle and inside passages of the river. There's no reason to be nervous about rapids: you are in capable hands. Yet again, Esprit Rafting will represent Canada at the World Whitewater Championships this September in Costa Rica."
6. McHutchion, John (1996-09-30). "Rough water profit: Shooting rapids in Africa is one way a small Canadian firm is building business". Toronto Star. ProQuest 437533967. Archived from the original on 2024-02-20. Retrieved 2024-02-20.
  The article notes: "Jim Coffey's firm, Esprit Rafting Adventures, sent a squad of seven paddlers that placed sixth this month in an international rafting competition in Zimbabwe. And now the tourism entrepreneur aims to market his expertise to foreign countries that want to start their own river-rafting businesses. Several foreign countries have come calling on Coffey's base camp in Davidson, Que., about 150 kilometres north of Ottawa. ... Esprit rafts the Magnetawan River near Parry Sound, the Petawawa River and the Ottawa River. The company handles about 3,000 rafters a year. ... In addition to its domestic trips, Esprit has also gone international, running rafting expeditions in Mexico and bicycle trips in Vietnam."
7. Bruemmer, René (2010-05-15). "Looking for adventure? Canada offers wilderness tours for all tastes". Ottawa Citizen. ProQuest 241355752. Archived from the original on 2024-02-20. Retrieved 2024-02-20 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Esprit Rafting company. Ranked No. 1 for "Best Outfitters on Earth" by National Geographic Online, this Ottawa-Valley-based rafting company offers everything from one-day rafting trips on the Ottawa River to multi-day canoe excursions (anywhere from two to 10 days long). It also gives certification training, teaches riverboarding and surfing on the rapids."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Esprit to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, as always @Cunard for your research. I agree 6/7 are good. I do wonder if we have consensus anywhere about travel guide books and wehther they're sufficiently independent since so many are paid inclusion. Something to think about down the line if we don't. Star Mississippi 13:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Star Mississippi (talk · contribs). I consider travel guide books from reputable publishers generally to be sufficiently independent assuming that the travel guide book did not say they are being paid for including the company. And if they are being paid to include the company but did not disclose, then I would not consider them a reputable publisher. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 100#Travel guides as sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 262#Travel Guide discussed travel guides but focused more on what topics travel guides can be used as sources for rather than the independence and paid inclusion aspect. Cunard (talk) 11:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Per Cunard, which is not a kind of !vote I usually like to make, but in this case they've done the exhaustive research and I have nothing further to add. Central and Adams (talk) 22:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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