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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Far*East Movement

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Article that is about a non-notable band and written like an advertisement. Today I searched Google for any reliable sources that'd make this band meet WP:MUSIC but could not find any. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 02:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Far*East Movement is notable and should be kept in Wikipedia for the following reasons:
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: OK, I think I sort of overreacted. Thing is that I thought that the group failed the notability guideline for music because last time I checked this group has never had a charting album or single on the U.S. Billboard charts. More specifically, as of right now, criterion 1 of that notability guideline excludes "publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves", in this case the several interviews the members of this group gave to a few minor websites. The MTV News feature might meet that criterion, though. However, keep in mind that a musician does not attain notability under Wikipedia standards simply for having his or her music hosted on even a major website like MTV as you pointed out.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Notable under Criterion #1 of musicians and ensembles: In addition to the MTV news coverage mentioned above, Far*East Movement has also been mentioned on the Daily 10 on E! [7] and were interviewed on Power 106, a major radio station in the Los Angeles area [8]. Footnote #3 explains that media where artists talk about themselves means "For example, endorsement deal publicity (including sell sheets, promo posters, fliers, print advertising and links to an official company website) that lists the artist as an endorser or contains an "endorsement interview" with the artist." I do not think these news interviews constitute "endorsement deals". The Power 106 interview might be considered an "endorsement interview". However, the MTV news interview is not structured like an endorsement interview. Neither is the coverage from E! — J3ff (talk) 11:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Regarding Jin's album: I opened up the video and heard Jin only mention their names but not specifically what they did. Maybe I'm missing something because I don't know Cantonese but personally a little bit of Mandarin. Could you please (honestly) translate it for other non-Cantonese Wikipedians? And no, FEM did not produce ABC; I checked the links provided and could not find its name under credits. Thus I still don't believe that FEM meets the notability standard--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Jin is not the one saying the names of the members of Far*East Movement. It is the announcer at the awards show saying the names. This link credits them on the HK UMG website as Far*East Movement: [9]. It says under ABC: "Produced by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement" and "Arranged by: Kevin Nishimura, James Roh and Jae Choung aka Far*East Movement". This makes them notable under Criterion #1 of composers and lyricists — J3ff (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notable under Criterion #10 of musicians and ensembles "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc.": Far*East Movement's music has been featured in the soundtrack for the film The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, as mentioned above. Here is a source from Yahoo! [10] — J3ff (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments about evidence of notability: Well thanks for your research. So far the only evidence for notability found include a 20-second brief by a television network, a song recorded for a popular movie, composition of a few tracks from an obscure Chinese rap album, and a bunch of interviews with the media. I think rewriting the article would be better. Now this is looking like an argument between the nominator and article creator; I'd like to see how other Wikipedians think of this. Maybe relist or withdraw?--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Jin's ABC album is far from obscure; it has gone platinum in Asia. But I do agree with you, others should participate in this discussion so it's not just the two of us talking. — J3ff (talk) 03:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 02:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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