Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Far right

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge far-right with far right. -Mys e kurity^{(have you seen this?)} 05:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Far right

Redirect to Far-right Rangerdude 07:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Far-right - this page is largely a duplicate with similar text. It used to redirect to Far-right prior to November 26th when an editor began reposting content there. Rangerdude 07:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

*Redirect as Rangerdude said. Content on this page can be deleted. (Actually, FWIW, I think "Far right" should be name of the real page, I have not seen the term "Far-right" with the hyphen used except as an adjective.) Herostratus 07:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

- Keep current article but move text from Far-right to this page and merge, per explanation from Cberlet as this makes more sense. Herostratus 15:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Far right, and move Far-right to this name. Herostratus is right, it makes more sense at this name. Saberwyn 08:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Approprately phrase vote and reasoning so the text at "Far-right" ends up at the namespace "Far right". Saberwyn 19:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete current article then move Far-right. Capitalistroadster 09:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Now a redirect to Far-right which is fine by me. Capitalistroadster 16:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep current article but move text from Far-right to this page and merge, because Far-right is improper adjectival entry name.--Cberlet 13:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, see also extreme right. Sam Spade 15:13, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Far-right.--Dakota ^t ^e 19:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and move the article at Far-right to Far right, per several above. — Haeleth Talk 21:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Do the least complicated thing such that all verifiable information from both articles is at Far right with a preserved edit history. Jkelly 23:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Far-right - and make sure redirects include both names. Extreme right is a different type of movement. Zordrac 00:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's a different type of POV and should remain a redirect ;) Gazpacho 00:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry. How are Far-right and Far right different POVs??? Perhaps you misunderstood me. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for a merge at Far right. Gazpacho 00:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This title should remain, material should be merged from Far-right. I would think that separate articles at Right-wing politics (a broad article discussing what it means to be right of center and giving an overview) Far right (covering right-wing politics that is at best on the margins of liberal democracy, such as the John Birch Society) and Extreme right (covering right-wing politics that rejects liberal democracy, such as neo-Nazism) would be the right breakdown. Or it could all go to Right-wing politics, the rest being redirects, if that doesn't make Right-wing politics too large. But clearly the nouns should win out over the adjectives as titles. BTW, if the person who proposed this wanted a redirect, why start an AFD in the first place? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Please cite some sources portraying a useful difference between extreme right and far right, much less far-right and far right... The difference between Right wing politics and the far-right is well known, altho at chips urging I have cited it at Talk:Right-wing_politics#Please_be_aware. Sam Spade 18:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are two issues. One is that the page name Far-right is just bad grammar. The second is the confusion over the use of the terms Far Right and Extreme Right. There are several ways to solve this, as we have discussed on Talk:Right-wing_politics#Discussion. I am arguing that the term Far Right is used differently by different authors, and I disagree that the term is always identical to "extreme right." This is disputed terrain among scholars.--Cberlet 19:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No one (to my knoweldge) is suggesting that these terms are always used in the exact same way by everyone, all the time. No term is, but particularly not an inherantly POV term like "Far right". BTW, I could care less if the content all ends up on Far right, Far-right, or Far Right, so long as its all in once place. Extreme right should simply be a redirect, based on its low number of google hits and lack of unique meaning. Sam Spade 19:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So why don't we just move the page Far-right here, and then have a focused discussion about whether or not there should be a page Extreme right?--Cberlet 19:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable. Sam Spade 19:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that that makes sense. We don't need 3 pages about the same thing. However, I am not entirely convinced that Extreme Right == Far Right. "Extreme" and "Far" have intrinsicly different meanings. Whilst the use of the word "Extreme Right" is less common, it is kind of like having Death Metal as a kind of hyper-extension to Heavy Metal. I don't think that anyone today disputes that the two now mean different things. Similar kind of idea. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 03:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

A vote to "Delete Far right, and move Far-right to this name." will not accomplish that, since this is a vote for deletion not a vote to merge and most administrators will rule that the vote to delete won, and do nothing to ensure that the page Far-right will be renamed. It's always complicated. The wording should be: "Keep current article but move text from Far-right to this page and merge." --Cberlet 13:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And note that a WikiAdmin can do this in a way that preserves the text editing history and discussion pages of Far-right.--Cberlet 14:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The text was already merged, and the edit history is meaningless. Sam Spade 16:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is one point of view. The discussion on [1] offers a broader perspective. In any case, the title "Far-right" is bad grammar and a lousy title for an encyclopedia entry.--Cberlet 17:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that your wording is more likely to produce the desired result; it's a needlessly over-complicated way of phrasing it, and it's not immediately obvious that it's not proposing a cut&paste. We should say what we want, and what we want is for this article to be deleted and the "good" article to be moved to the correct name. The only risk is that the closing admin may forget to make the move, and surely any user who notices the omission will be able to rectify it? — Haeleth Talk 22:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are right, but I recently went through a vote where the majority wanted something renamed or deleted and the Admin ruled at the end of the vote that since there was no consensus to delete that simply leaving things the way they were was the proper outcome. There is a way to tag for renaming and moving and merging, as explained on this page:[2]; but instead, this is a delete vote. Anyway, we can argue that the intent is clear, so maybe I am just overly sensitive to my last experience.--Cberlet 23:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.