Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flags of counties of the United States

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The result was delete. Modussiccandi (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flags of counties of the United States

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WP:NOTGALLERY, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The vast majority of these have no source, no context, and aren't even important enough to be discussed in the article on the county itself. Thankfully the list is very incomplete, as the US has more than 3000 counties apparently. Fram (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists and United States of America. Fram (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If we can say something substantive about the flags in the articles on the counties it can be done there. There is no justification for this gallery article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Absolutely impractical to include all the flags of all the counties in the US per WP:TOOLONG. The flags should just be included in the articles for the respective counties as this fails WP:NLIST. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Flags of cities of the United States. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 15:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This information may be better suited on Wiki-commons. Note that being too long is never a valid excuse to delete something. Any section for a state that was long enough could be split off into a different article. Dream Focus 00:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We are not Vexillopedia. This can just as easily be managed with a Commons cat, without being a WP:NOT-worthy terrible idea either. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 05:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is actually an gallery of images that is non-free. Also, this is unnecessary gallery about images of flags and WP:LISTCRUFT. 180.214.232.13 (talk / contribs) 22:52, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke em all SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 05:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article could be transformed into a redirect to county flags of the United States by regions. The pages then explain the meanings of the county flags. An example would be: A user goes to this page, chooses "Flags of counties in the western United States" then scrolls to Colorado, which has the flag and meaning of Fremont County's flag. The user is also able to see meanings and other information for other flags in the western United States that have one. Flags without meanings are left on the Commons page. Flagvisioner (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and Keep My improvements to the Michigan section and the new references illustrate what this article could become. And that sources do exist, even if they have not been put into the article yet. County flags vary greatly by state and within each state. Some states have county flags in every county. Per Flagvisioner regional subgroups might make the article more workable. Cities and counties are neither synonomous, coextensive, nor fungible. Article can be expanded and be better sourced. That it needs more soucing is no reason to delete. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:17, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is Flags of the World considered reliable. It's content is user submitted by members of it's mailing list and according to it's own disclaimer "The quality of images and news varies very much: the website contains not only well-known flags but also sketches and rumours, often seized on the spot from a TV report or a magazine. In any case we disclaim any responsibility about the veracity and accuracy of the contents of the website."[1] See this 2011 RSN thread on the topic.

If this is what most of the sourcing would be I don't think it's worth keeping. Cakelot1 (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You overlook the actual content, and highlight only the disclaimer. You overlook that the material is also sourced with links to the sources. This is a relatively obscure subject, down to a micro level. And finding books, newspapers or magazines on each flag is inherently problematical.

To be sure, there is always hostility and suspicion of any other wiki project. E.g., Find a grave, which is still a reliable source on finding places of internment. For other facts there are problems, but for gravesites not so much. There is a certain irony in all this.

But you are entitled to your own opinion on this wikipedia page. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:01, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per RSP Find a Grave is not generally reliable because it is user generated. As far a I know this is the case for all user generated sources (WP:USG) whether it's us or others (see literally any other user generated source on WP:RSP).

In terms of the sources listed at Flags of the world for the Michigan counties, some [2] [3] seem to cite sources, others [4] [5] don't give any. [6] cites some information to Wikipedia. I simply don't see these as useful sources as we can't trust that they have got it right. They might, they might not, we can't be sure without checking the original source, which at that point we would just cite.

I am asking because adding information from Flags of the World just doesn't seem very substantial and doesn't bring it up to much more then a gallery. Cakelot1 (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If this is the best that can be done (a source of dubious reliability with only some basic mathematical facts), then that is far from enough to justify this, or even much smaller by-state lists. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Due to WP:NOTGALLERY. MrsSnoozyTurtle 04:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The list is just a listcruft and has less encyclopedic value. Fails WP:NOTGALLERY. 182.2.136.108 (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note This has now been canvassed (to both A) a partisan audience and B) with a partisan message) to the Article Rescue Squadron page (with a very non-neutral "This is part of a larger effort to denude flag articles around the world"). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:45, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RandomCanadian It is a fact. Your distinction doesn't change the problem. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag lists that should have been on Commons The link speaks for itself. Your gratuitous and unwarranted claim of canvassed at the deletion page is b.s. I have no illusions that this posting will change the outcome. No one showed up. But you can spread your poison. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming that 11 participants is "no one showed up" is being rather plainly economical with the truth. There was neither A) a need to ask for more participation with a non-neutral message; nor B) post it to a specific partisan group (speaking of "no illusions", I have absolutely no illusions about the Article Retention Squad). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No one from WP:ARS. (Except sleepy amphbian, who hangs out at ARS, and showed up to vote/support/discuss delete – take your pick). You choose to misquote and misunderstand. Deliberately or not. 'Dona nobis pacem indeed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The gallery of flags is actually just an listcruft, too little encyclopedic value. 140.213.132.86 (talk / contribs) 14:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Parallel discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flags of cities of the United States. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:37, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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