Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Cyrus Hobart Hutchinson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. An individual is not inherently notable for being the grandfather of someone who is, but is evaluated for his own contributions and treatment in reliable secondary sourcing. Consensus is that, regardless of the relationship between Hutchinson and Jackson, there is insufficient notability demonstrated for Hutchinson to have his own article. If Hutchinson can be demonstrated to be the grandfather of Jackson, reference to him may be appropriate in existing articles related to that president. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Cyrus Hobart Hutchinson

Notability is not inherited. This person's only claim to notability is being the grandfather of Andrew Jackson and the grandson of John Hutchinson (Colonel). Reputable genealogical sources do not support him being Jackson's grandfather, and in any case, he would never have met Jackson, so he did not have any influence on him. --Michael White^T·C 16:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson -- Roleplayer (talk) 16:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Unfortunately, in addition to his lack of notability, that he is her father is genealogically dubious, as I have provided information on at Talk:Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson. --Michael White^T·C 16:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In that case delete unless reputable sources can be found, otherwise merge as above. -- Roleplayer (talk) 16:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete - Clearly, Non notable. Canyouhearmenow —Preceding comment was added at 17:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (or merge thsi somewhere, please). Gotta agree with the Mikester on this one; I recall that Andrew Jackson pretty well grew up not knowing his ancestors. Mandsford (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)nn[reply]
Strong Keep As user Michael A. White removed my links from the article. He is clearly a Vandal. Now listen up Andrew Jacksons aunts, all knew Andrew Jackson. Also they all knew who their father was and their Grandfather. I,am one of his mothers sisters direct kin. DNA has already proven this. Andrew Jackson grew up on the Crawford plantation. It was owned by Robert Crawford. Whos brother lived there as well. Two of his aunts married Leslie,s. this is a known fact. The link Michael A. White removed proved this. The link Michael A. White supplied, i have searched, it leads nowhere. The site Micheal A. White removed was the offical site of the Charlotte Mecklenberg library. I think they know a little more about this then Michael.

Comment The site (link) contained no mention of Francis Cyrus Hobart Hutchinson, so it was appropriate to remove it as a reference. The only mention of Andrew Jackson's mother is the sentence "The maiden names of my grandmother and sisters (Mrs. Jackson, Mrs. McCamie, and Mrs. Crawford) were Hutchison." --Michael White^T·C 14:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep I have checked and Ancestory.com has Francis Hutchinson listed, as the parent of Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson. Several of his kin are listed. I tried looking for the people Michael White claimed were listed as kin to Andrew Jackson the vast majority listed Francis Hutchinson. Only one or two was listed that was different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Better1 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What record set at Ancestry.com did you use? -- Roleplayer (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just look under Francis or Cyrus Hutchinson. You might have to be a member to look it up. It was under the Wells & Scott Genealogy (USA & South Africa) for one. Also under the Moody Family Genealogy, by Jeannie Potter. Plus to many more to list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Better1 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - are these the family trees that have been listed by Ancestry members? If they are, they are not peer reviewed prior to listing so they cannot be listed as viable references. -- Roleplayer (talk) 11:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment and in any case, he would have died in Ireland and never met Jackson, thus not being notable.--Michael White^T·C 14:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This user's only edits are to this AfD. --Michael White^T·C 14:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sockpuppetry case opened: Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Randall_O —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael A. White (talk • contribs) 15:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My sister joined last night As anyone can do. This was not a Sock poppet. As Michael White is reporting. Also i forgot to sign my own post. Also Michael has accused me of not writing any articles. When in fact i have written several. 66.19.114.161 (talk) 08:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Randall O[reply]

Comment It should be noted that pbs.org has done 3 documentary programs on Andrew Jackson, and 2 mentioned his aristocratic ancestry. All were done in the last twenty years. I think they did plenty of research. Randall O (talk) 10:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Randall O[reply]

In any case, he's not notable. And I would think that the preeminent presidential genealogy scholar should be given more weight than a PBS documentary, which you haven't even provided the actual source for. --Michael White^T·C 13:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did not accuse you of not writing any articles, I accuesd your "sister" of that, which she hasn't.--Michael White^T·C 13:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.