Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/František Bohdal (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

František Bohdal

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Non notable minor local factory and municipal functionary. All sources in the article are either unreliable (Rudé právo - national communist party paper, Jihočeská Pravda - local party paper etc.), or do not mention the article subject at all (Osteuropa auf dem Weg zur Marktwirtschaft). Previous AfD closed as no consensus, because participants were not able to judge reliability of the Czech language sources. Pavlor (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement of the author of the article: In my opinion, there was no reason for AfD. On the contrary, a source was added that dates back to the 1990s, when Czechoslovakia was no longer a totalitarian state. The source proves that the procedures that František Bohdal invented and implemented were used long after. I cannot agree with the subjective opinion of the petitioner of the deletion. František Bohdal was awarded the state award by the President of the Republic several times. The state award also had to be approved by the government. Some sources come from the time of totalitarianism, but propaganda information was filtered from them and they only describe the facts (when he worked in which department, what awards he received, what procedures he invented). I believe that a lot of information should be preserved, because it also appears on the site of the factory on czWikipedia. Thanks to František Bohdal, on whom the interest of the press at the time was focused in the 1950s and 1980s, various technological processes in the plant can be mapped. I'm in favor of keeping the article.--Kopal.jiri (talk) 16:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does that source published after 1989 at least mention the article subject? As of the state award, it was awarded to a collective of workers not to the article subject individually. Pavlor (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You probably do not understand the issue or deliberately misrepresent it. For each award, it is written whether it was awarded directly to Bohdal or whether it was awarded to a collective (either a paper mill collective or a narrower collective, which he headed). No one is deceived here, and there are also pictures taken from the archives of the office of the President of the Republic, which mention František Bohdal directly. From your text it is clear that you may not even read article and suggest you to delete it.--Kopal.jiri (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are only two notable awards (Order of Victorious February, Order of the Republic), both were awarded to a collective of workers. However, my main issue are sources. If the best source you can provide (Osteuropa auf dem Weg zur Marktwirtschaft), doesn´t mention the article subject at all (at least searching in the Google Books preview), there are literally no sources one can use to write an article. Pavlor (talk) 16:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel qualified to decide which state award is more important than another. These are all state decorations awarded by the President of the Republic at the suggestion of the government. That is why I consider them just as important.--Kopal.jiri (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the government of Czechoslovakia had its own ranking of which state awards were more important than others. No, it's not for us to decide that, but I assume that the government had its own plan for deciding which award to give to Gustáv Husák and which award to give to the manager of a paper mill. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, there was a prescription that determined the order in which they were worn, ranging from rarer to less rare. I just wanted to say that it was always a state award, which automatically makes them significant awards.--Kopal.jiri (talk) 17:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Considering that all the sources provided are in Czech, one might expect that a notable Czech person would be the subject of an article in the Czech Wikipedia. While cs:František Bohdal exists, it's about a novelist/poet/playwright with the same name. I don't see any evidence that the Czech Wikipedia includes an article about the paper mill manager František Bohdal; apparently they cover him in the article about the factory where he worked, cs:JIP - Papírny Větřní. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just because an award is from a national government does not mean that it is significant enough to pass notability standards, especially collective awards. I agree with Metropolitan90 rationale as well. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.