Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free Republic of Nias

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Free Republic of Nias

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As per WP:QUESTIONABLE. Sources given are either self-published or "sensationalist" Indonesian language publications. Also WP:NN - a total of 1,250 hits in Google, many of which point to Wikipedia. Davidelit (Talk) 15:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Davidelit (Talk) 15:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete can’t read the Indonesian sources but the English source does not look reliable. I found some sources regarding the sinking of the SS Van Imhoff [1] [2] [3] but these do not seem to be RS. This event is already mentioned on Nias. I don’t think a month long ‘state’ with so little written about it requires its own article. (I will note sources say allied media covered up the sinking which may account for lack of RS but that’s not a reason to keep the page.) Vladimir.copic (talk) 13:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep -- It is potentially a harmless article, but I think it might be better to give it a NPOV name such as German occupation of Nias. I rather doubt that the German rulers considered themselves as a sovereign state, rather as occupying it on behalf of the Axis powers, which is consistent with their peacefully handing the island over to the Japanese. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just worry that these sources are pretty unreliable especially for an article of this length and depth. We really need an Indonesian speaker, maybe the original author Jeromi Mikhael, to give some advice on the reliability of the Indonesian sources. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I speak Indonesian. Page 359 of one of Oktorino's books (Jejak Hitler di Nusantara - Petualangan, Intrik dan Konspirasi Nazi di Indonesia - The Footsteps/Traces of Hitler in the Indonesian Archipelago: Nazi Adventures, Intrigues and Conspiracies' in Indonesia) discusses the possibility that Hitler escaped to Indonesia, married a local woman and died a Muslim in Surabaya. Davidelit (Talk) 04:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. The book says this and we only get an article about a 30 day Nazi republic. We have been robbed of a great section in Adolf Hitler titled "Post-retirement Life in Surabaya". Joking aside, I double down on my delete vote now then. Vladimir.copic (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. There is a non-trivial coverage in two English language books and apparently in sources on other languages (cited on the page). My very best wishes (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Geerken book is self-published so does not meet RS standards as per WP:RSSELF and the section of the book talking about the Free Republic of Nias contains no referencing. See this amateur review by Hans Veltman of the book for an idea of its reliability. The other source is a self-published website that does not give any sources for the information presented and looks to be quite a biased site. All other sources appear to be in Indonesian (which have been questioned above) or Dutch. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you say this is "fake story" that never happened? Given that the story is apparently true, that page is relatively well written and well sourced to Indonesian sources, I do not see a compelling reason for deletion. The sources are few, I agree, but having at least some coverage in several books I think makes this story worthy a page. My very best wishes (talk) 03:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The story is already covered in the Nias page. Vladimir.copic (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It mention this story in one phrase and provides link to this page. I think it is exactly as it should be. My very best wishes (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is only one main reference, which is clearly unreliable. A list of survivors of the sinking of SS van Imhoff is available elsewhere in wikipedia, which demonstrates a fundamental confusion on the part of the original editor as regards the name of the doctor who was one of the survivors. Not a large error, perhaps, but in view of the paucity of other references it throws, IMHO, the whole article into serious question. ----Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 22:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it is without extensive WP:RS to clarify context in the wider picture JarrahTree 11:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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