Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friendship (Mortal Kombat)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect→Fatality (Mortal Kombat)#Variations—The redirect will be tagged with Template:R to list entry, thus indicating the topic is insufficiently notable for inclusion as a stand-alone article. During a due diligence search of the web to look for supporting material for notability, I found a couple of reasonable links for inclusion in support of verifiability, which will also be added to the target article. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Friendship (Mortal Kombat)

The article has no notability, and as such is repetition of the gameplay sections of several Mortal Kombat games that already cover this. As such, it is entirely duplicative and unnecessary. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

delete game cruft, no evidence of extensive coverage in reliable secondary sources. Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Fatality (Mortal Kombat), where this is already mentioned. Pinball22 (talk) 14:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Pinball22 132.205.99.122 (talk) 20:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable and verifiable aspect of one of the most notable game series of all time. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is it notable? There is not one real world assertion of notability, and it would need many to sustain a whole article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Millions of people saw the Johnny Cage friendship in the first movie and millions of people around the world have executed friendships while playing the games. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So basically what you said is that the games are notable, the movies are notable, and that people play games and watch movies, but that still doesn't make friendships, which is simply a gameplay mechanic from the series deserve its own article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Friendship are innovative concept introduced by the series that made fatalities an aspects of game play that other games would similarly use. The concept was significant enough to be used in a major motion picture as well. As we are not a paper encyclopedia and as we don't want to turn away volunteer editors, we should not be stingy on factually accurate and coherently presented material. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And how do we know any of that is factually accurate? How do we know that is as influential as you say? Without references, its just your word, and its not self evident, so it has to be considered just your opinion. Either find references or realize it isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Millions of game players and movie watchers can attest to its factual accuracy and notability. Type Friendship and Mortal Kombat on a search engine and you'll be able to see numerous pictures and videos of these things. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That only proves that the fighting technique exists and that people saw the movies, not that its notable and deserves its own article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Large numbers of websites on the topic has to indicate some degree of notability. Regards, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only development type information would prove notability, and if they are just fan sites they dont count. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Game magazines can also verify friendships as mentionables. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please list them here and when they were mentioned so we can all be enlightened. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look through old copies of Tips & Tricks for example when Mortal Kombat II game out. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And will that explain how this idea originated, or provide a developers perspective on it? Will it actually add anything encyclopedic to the article? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do a search to see if Boon or Tobias mention them in interviews, perhaps. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as this article has no redeming features. Firstly, it has no primary sources, so trying to verify its content will be like looking for a pin in a haystack. Secondly, it has no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate real-world notability. Lastly it has no encyclopedic content, as it primarily plot summary with a heavy in universe perspective. --Gavin Collins (talk) 17:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Fatality (Mortal Kombat) Pagra shtak 18:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Pinball22 and others. Rray (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.