Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GCML Series Cricket

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 23:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GCML Series Cricket

Admittedly, I know next to nothing about cricket. However, "most prominent South Asian Cricket League in Australia" seems like a pretty weak claim to notability. And the "GCML Series likes to thank all the Sponsors, and Supporters in our Passion for Cricket" portion simply shouts "ADVERTISING!!!" Smashville^BONK! 23:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not notable, yet. Mr Senseless (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This seems to be an amateur/semi-pro concern, which is a long way from notability. Very good intentions behind the league and the article, I'm sure, but just nothing that should be included in Wikipedia. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DO NOT DELETE: This is an important Cricket tournament. Considering the passion for Cricket in Indian sub continent, and amongst Indian expats in Australia, this page should not be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.143.142 (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)[reply]
- In which case, are there sources demonstrating the importance of the tournament? I can't find any myself, but I'm willing to be proven wrong here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PLEASE DO NOT DELETE: Not surprisingly the requests for deletion have come from people who have nothing to do with Cricket, or who have no idea the significance it holds amongst more than 1,00,000 south asian expats in Australia, and their passion for cricket —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachin1978 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)[reply]
- Not so. I'm from Australia and currently enjoying watching the Boxing Day Test, and you're quite right that South Asians love their cricket. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with anything. What matters is that we need reliable sources demonstrating that it's an important competition. Simply saying that it is so won't do the trick. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DO NOT DELETE: If you are enjoying Boxing day test, u probably saw the passion amonst thousand of INdian fans at MCG. Now ask any one of them about their local Cricket competitions, and the first name that comes into mind is GCML Series. It is well publicised in local south asian papers in Australia namely Indus Age, Indian Voice, Bharat Times, South Asia Times, and Indian Link etc. One link is there from Indian Link of last year's tournament. Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)

That link is a good start, but the requirement is for "multiple, non-trivial, independent sources" firstly, before anything else comes into play, and one source isn't multiple sources. As far as the speculation that this series is the first that comes to mind, there's not likely to be proof of that aside from your say-so, so we can discount that as evidence of notability. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~That link shows involvement of Liberal leader Ted Baillieu with the competition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachin1978 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)~~ Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)[reply]

Absolutely it does. Now what we need is at least one more non-trivial independent source discussing the league and we'll be able to start evaluating it against the other criteria out there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Bduke (talk) 11:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE DO NOT DELETE: If anyone doubts that this is not the most prominent south asian cricket league in Australia, can he name one other competition involving south asian s in Australia that is even half as famous and popular like GCML Series ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachin1978 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)[reply]

There's no need to express the same opinion multiple times, since that will just muddy the waters. What needs to be shown is evidence that this is the most prominent South Asian cricket league in Australia, rather than just your claim that that's the case. Additionally, we need to work out whether the most prominent South Asian cricket league in Australia actually needs to be included in Wikipedia. Without evidence, though, neither thing is being demonstrated. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. —Bduke (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MUST STAY THIS ARTICLE: As a member of south asian community of Australia, I know the significance of GCML Series. Deleting this page will be hurting their passion for cricket. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guriyashampi (talk • contribs) 11:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)[reply]

No, deleting this article will be removing an article which does not (at present) pass the thresh-hold criteria for inclusion here in the first place. The South Asian community of Australia will, I presume, remain just as fanatically devoted to the sport regardless of what happens to this page. Although if it gets deleted and the second Australia-India Test doesn't feature massive crowds waving Indian flags, I'll owe you one. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP: this page should be kept. All the objections have come from Non South Asian Community members of Australia.
Like this person User Big Haz is annoyed by seeing so many Indian flags on Australian grounds. Atleast he accepts their passion for Cricket. Well name me one South Asian Cricket competition in Australia that is more popular than this one.
~~Keep the frustration of seeing Indian flags at MCG to yourself MATE. You will see them lot more in coming months!~~ Struck comment by blocked sockpuppet — Coren ^(talk)
Delete Non-notable, amateur and social cricket league. Notability has not been demonstrated through the provision of multiple reliable sources independent of the subject and each other. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 12:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.indianlink.com.au/?q=taxonomy/term/148/9&from=35

http://www.indianlink.com.au/?q=node/2068 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dksindhi (talk • contribs) 12:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable (and the obvious attempt at vote stacking on this and the GCML's creator's AfD debate do very little to shift my view towards keep) Narson (talk) 12:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - appears to have no notability outside the local area (and possibly little even within that area). - fchd (talk) 12:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Cannot find WP:reliable sources beyond the single reference provided to establish WP:notability, esp. multiple source interest over time. Link is a nice start, but not enough. • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I follow cricket quite closely, and this competition is still obviously less notable than, say, grade cricket, which we don't have articles on. Not enough third-party sources. Lankiveil (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Strong Delete and SALT] By the number of sock/meatpuppets and anon IP's commenting here, I can just tell this is going to be a problem article down the road. I can't find any materials to demonstrate the subjects notability, and it just reads like a whole bunch of vanispam or whatever variant of cruft you can think of. Let's deal with this now so it doesn't come back to AfD in a few weeks time. Thewinchester ^(talk) 12:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless sufficient reliable sources can be provided to show notability (which looks unlikely). Terraxos (talk) 20:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete and SALT Per the above points. Sadly, I think this article needs to be salted. --Shark face 217 22:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No reliable sources to prove notability, and as above editors note, the presence of sockpuppets here seems to be foreshadowing of the future of the article. Master of Puppets ^{Care to share?} 05:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.