Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Game Over (2013 film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. I see opinion evenly divided between Keep, Delete and Merge and there has been no participation after the last relist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Game Over (2013 film)

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It is not useful or important topic, not for the filmmaker and not for the Iranian cinema Backlashblues1976 (talk) 05:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 February 6. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 05:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV - every source seems to be minor mention, part of an itinerary or list without any discussion. Wizmut (talk) 06:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The film was screened at least in 37 film festivals in 2013 (and at least 14 times in 2014 and 2015) and then at least screened at the Bay Area festival in 2019. So WP:NFILM's following criterion is met: "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release." And I'm sorry but why say it's "not important for" this filmmaker or Iranian cinema? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:29, 6 February 2024 (UTC) (N.B.- Not opposed to a redirect to the page about the director but cannot see why we ought to; absolutely opposed to deletion; renaming Game Over (short film) might also be a good idea).[reply]
Thank you for your reply. Regarding the deletion purpose, the film was an average success for a young filmmaker at the time, based on the grade of festivals that the film had screened at, and the film had no significant achievements, neither artistic nor conceptually, for the filmmaker in comparison to his debut and also two last films. I want to delet this page in order to put the focus on the most successful films of the director. Backlashblues1976 (talk) 13:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I cannot see how the existence of this page could hinder your effort in improving the pages about other films by the same filmmaker. You don't have to edit it but that's not a reason to have it deleted. if your point is that more attention should be given by readers to other of his films, that's also not a reason for deletion at all. It's less notable and certainly less covered in media than other films by the same director, fair, but again, that is not a reason for deletion. It meets at least one criterion for notability of films on Wikipedia. If a redirect is decided, part of the article should be merged into the director's page, but deletion does not seem suitable. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: Where are the 1st and 2nd Afds??-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I submitted the page for deletion, 2 days ago via PROD. The same day, user [GB fan] rejected the submission for the following reason:

"remove PROD, was previously PROD'd in edit at 21:23, 13 September 2013‎‎‎‎‎‎‎, was later removed, must go to WP:AFD"

So, I have followed the description and resubmitted my deletion proposal for the 3rd time. Backlashblues1976 (talk) 13:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. PROD and Afds are 2 different processes, this is the 1st Afd. Anyway, let's wait until this is over (and maybe the page should be renamed then, unless someone does it before that). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Comics and animation, and Iran. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Backlashblues1976, you created this article in 2013. Why do you want to delete it now? Toughpigs (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. Backlashblues1976 is the director, Seyed Mohsen Pourmohseni Shakib. Here's the diff where they admitted to that. Backlashblues1976 created a page about themselves a month ago, and now they want to delete the pages they created about their own student films, White Paper and Game Over. Toughpigs (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is rather odd, I get a bit of an impression that this is a case of an artist not being happy with their early work and wanting to forget about it, not sure if that is a good reason for deletion.★Trekker (talk) 22:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I think that is not a good reason for that. Due to that and My oh My's sources, which show that the film is notable as it meets WP:NFILM, I am !voting Keep. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Seyed Mohsen Pourmohseni Shakib. As with White Paper (film), nearly all of the sources available for this are guides for shorts programs in which the film has screened. When it comes to coverage of the film itself, there's not enough to require a separate article. hinnk (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional discussion of the available sources would be very helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as suggested to the Shakib article seems sensible. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note Nom is both the creator of the article and apparently has a CoI as the director of the film (see WP:COIN#Seyed Mohsen Pourmohseni Shakib). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Mushy Yank. As to " I want to delet this page in order to put the focus on the most successful films of the director", we don't delete articles in order to assist the subject's promotional campaign. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TLA^tlak 07:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.