Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geje Eustaquio

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:18, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Geje Eustaquio

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Subject is a MMA fighter. Fails WP:MMABIO as subject has not fought in tier one promotion. PRehse (talk) 11:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. PRehse (talk) 11:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

• Keep on the basis of being a national level Wushu champion and ONE Championship - it may not be the UFC, but it's a pretty significant east-Asian tournament. Simonm223 (talk) 12:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:NMMA is a long standing consensus and clear with regard to MMA fighter notability. ONE Championship is not top tier.PRehse (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

The notability criteria for MMA fighters is well established. There's no indication he was a national wushu champion (non-independent source merely says "he was invited to be on the national team"). Even if he was a national champion that's insufficient to meet WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 18:46, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 13:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 13:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Clearly does not meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters. Being on the Philippine national wushu team, even if true, is insufficient to meet the notability criteria for martial artists (WP:MANOTE). Finally, routine coverage and promotion of his MMA fights fails to show that WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 18:46, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Man I don't get it, why do people here in wikipedia consider ONE Championship a second tier promotion where in fact it's the BIGGEST MMA promotions in ASIA. I think the real debate here is not against Eustaquio but i think it's on the side of ONE Championship. I have read some of the arguments against ONE Promotions, and its only 1 thing and that is they lack on well-known and highly rank fighters. Geje Eustaquio is a well-known fighter because of multiple media publications about him. But not a Top rated Fighter according to many MMA rankings because he fights on an outside western country promotions if he fights on UFC he will be easily on the Top 10 no doubt about it.

But currently there is NO independent MMA Rankings which covers all the MMA fighters around the globe and I would love to hear about it(if there's any), and we all know that there is NO independent World MMA Title to Fight on unlike Boxing were 4 independent organizations offer world championship titles. Any rich businessmen can create there own MMA promotions and get several high tier fighters, Top Rank for example can create a MMA promotions and MMA Title with the right MONEY to lure high ranking MMA fighters from multiple ranking publications to come to them, even Super Star Mayweather can create his own too. So I think that this should not be a standard basis of considering what Top tier MMA Promotions are, I think we should add the most important of all (Cultural and Influential Impact of the Organization for the Sport like "What did the promotion contributed to the MMA?","How did the organization help the fighters?","Did it improve the MMA scene in the region?","Did the MMA Promotion influence the economic, political and cultural identity of society on its region?) and so on. (i hope i'm making sense on this but yah.)

And ONE Championship has already made HISTORY not just here in the South East Asia and ASIA but the whole world, it has a large pool of fan base bigger than other top tier mma promotions, the GLOBAL media outlets are talking about ONE MMA, fight fans around the globe known ONE Championship, MMA is flourishing in South East Asia because of ONE Championship., and maybe they the ONE Championship will revamp the dying Japan MMA scene. ONE MMA has molded the future generations of MMA practitioners in Asia generally speaking, ONE has built the foundation of what might happen next on the promotions of MMA (like: show casing different martial arts in 1 fight card, (Grappling Only Match-up, Kick Boxing Muay Thai and now Boxing). and yet people disregard ONE MMA promotions as if it only exist in an unknown part of the world. They made several events on several countries and distributed it to influenced an estimate 1.7 billion people around the globe. And it's on business after 7 years and many more to come. You can't disregard someones achievement because he just fought on so called 2nd tier organization, even if the fights fans knows who is he, where he fights and who is he fighting. I believe this are the basis of why I firmly nominate ONE Championship to be promoted to Top Tier Organization and even if i fail to convince you my fellow Wikipedians on this one. ONE Championship and the people who supported it, have already made a significant mark on the global sports landscape. This is my argument same with Belingon on the other page. (English is not my first language, my deepest apologies on my mistakes and if you guys need sources, i will provide it later on but for now sorry) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonxtx (talk • contribs) 20:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

You posted this same comment at Kevin Belingon's AfD discussion so I'll refer you to my comment there about the history and requirements of MMA organizational and fighter notability on WP. Please note we're not saying that ONE is not notable, just that its fighters have not shown they're generally on the same level as say, the UFC. Papaursa (talk) 01:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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