Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Dolgoff
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The arguments made against the sources provided by Eastmain have remained uncontested. Sandstein 08:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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No evidence of notability. Much of the content of the article is unsourced, and there are no citations to any coverage in reliable independent sources. At present the article contains tags about sourcing dated 2016, but questions have been raised repeatedly over a much longer time than that. A PROD was made in 2010, but contested. A large proportion of the editing of the article has been done by a small number of single-purpose accounts, at least some of which appear to have a conflict of interest (including an account named Gdolgoff). JBW (talk) 08:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep on the basis of good references like ComputerWorld, Looper and ScreenRant, Insider "Though it didn't go on sale for three years, the first LCD projector was developed in 1987." These are enough to put together an article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Those "good references" are as follows. The "Insider" article has a single two sentence mention of Dolgoff. In fact the complete and unabridged text about Dolgoff is "Inventor Gene Dolgoff had been working on creating the first LCD projector since the 1960s. Finally, in 1987, Dolgoff improved upon his design and patented it, creating the company Projectavision, Inc." "ScreenRant" has even less than that: a one sentence mention. The"ComputerWorld" article has one short paragraph about Dolgoff. The "Looper" article has several mentions of Dolgoff spread over a few paragraphs, but it is a very small proportion of the whole, and is not substantial coverage. In short, the "good references" do nothing to show notability. (In fact, if those are the best that can be found by an editor who has been here for 15 years and made over 40000 edits, and for whom voting "keep" in numerous AfD discussions is one of his main activities, then it suggests that there isn't much to be found, because if anyone could find it, he could.) JBW (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Already from the start of the article on WP, the claim was made that Dolgoff is the inventor of digital projection. Later, the more specific claim was made that Dolgoff started experimenting and thinking about LCD projectors in 1968. This was repeated in a video on YouTube showing an interview with Dolgoff and drawings as well as a patent publication in the background. The title of this video is: The inventor of the LCD projector. There is no reliable, independent evidence supporting this claim. Early related work by researchers at RCA Labs and Bell Labs used LCDs for experimental projection was based on electronbeam or laser addressing. Publications appeared from 1968 onwards. Having the idea of using LCDs for projection at that time was nothing extraordinary. However, making working prototypes was a challenge not tried by Dolgoff before 1983. To my knowledge, Peter J. Wild at Brown Boveri was first to implement a digital LCD projector using a modified conventional projector in 1971 (see LCD projector). If the rest of the article is based on similar misleading information, I vote for Delete.--BBCLCD (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Those "good references" are as follows. The "Insider" article has a single two sentence mention of Dolgoff. In fact the complete and unabridged text about Dolgoff is "Inventor Gene Dolgoff had been working on creating the first LCD projector since the 1960s. Finally, in 1987, Dolgoff improved upon his design and patented it, creating the company Projectavision, Inc." "ScreenRant" has even less than that: a one sentence mention. The"ComputerWorld" article has one short paragraph about Dolgoff. The "Looper" article has several mentions of Dolgoff spread over a few paragraphs, but it is a very small proportion of the whole, and is not substantial coverage. In short, the "good references" do nothing to show notability. (In fact, if those are the best that can be found by an editor who has been here for 15 years and made over 40000 edits, and for whom voting "keep" in numerous AfD discussions is one of his main activities, then it suggests that there isn't much to be found, because if anyone could find it, he could.) JBW (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.