Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giants–Jets rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. A little bit per WP:SNOW, but mostly per WP:CSK no. 3 - "The nomination is completely erroneous. No accurate deletion rationale has been provided."

In essence, the nomination claims that this rivalry "isn't a true rivalry" (seemingly because this match-up only happens rarely) and that this fails GNG.

A cursory glance shows that the second part is inaccurate, and consequently the first one is either similarly inaccurate or simply personal opinion (and personal opinion is not a deletion rationale). (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Giants–Jets rivalry

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The article is on a non-existent rivalry that has only comprised 14 total games, with only 2 games in the last 10 years. Teams are in opposite conferences, don't play each other regularly and have never met in the postseason. The only thing that connects them is that they play their home games in the same stadium and market.

The article is well written and sourced, but a close examination of the sourcing does not support the existence of a true rivalry, with many of the sources actually questioning whether a rivalry exists. Thus, this "rivalry" fails WP:GNG and should be deleted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The teams don't play regularly due to NFL scheduling rules, where AFC and NFC teams only play each other once every 4 years. Similarly, the only opportunity for a playoff game is in the Super Bowl. The fact that these teams do not play regularly does not mean that a rivalry doesn't exist or didn't exist. Toa Nidhiki05 19:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep They do play every year, in the preseason.[1] Of course this is a rivalry, plenty of sourcing to support it. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Toa Nidhiki05 and Muboshgu, both of your comments support the "shared history" of the two teams, both in stadiums and markets. But neither support the existence of an actual rivalry, where two teams play each other often, fans share hate of the other team, the teams have played important games against each other, etc. All this is, is two teams who play in the same stadium and market. Most of the really good sources actually question whether a rivalry really exists, with a number of articles highlighting the feelings of players and coaches that there is no real rivalry. Compare this to other well-known rivalries, like the Packers/Bears, and it becomes even more questionable. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
fans share hate of the other team Have you talked to many Jets or Giants fans? That's where the rivalry lies, and that's backed up in RS. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, unlike Chargers-Rams, this seems to get lots of coverage, showing a GNG pass. See a Newspapers.com search of "Giants-Jets rivalry" which brings up 1,000s of results. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BeanieFan11, the first result on your search is titled Giants-Jets rivalry: a war or a bore from 1980. The article goes on to explain how the players don't view it as a rivalry. The next relevant result is titled For vets, it's an off-on rivalry with a byline of Waiting time cools Giant-Jet rivalry from 1984. Again, an article about how a rivalry doesn't exist. Respectfully, if you aren't going to post relevant clippings from he Newspapers.com search, it really isn't helpful to post a link to search results. It would be like posting a link to a Google search result with millions of hits, 99% aren't going to be relevant. Most of those thousands of results on Newspapers.com aren't about to this topic. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 12:39, March 14, 2022 (UTC)

Even saying "waiting time cools the rivalry" says there's a rivalry. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep per BeanieFan above, and this and this are just a few examples. I think this gets enough coverage for GNG. Note, I'm putting weak keep, because Gonzo fan does bring up valid points. SPF121188 ^{(talk this way)} ^(contribs) 19:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spf121188 both of those articles question whether a rivalry really exists. Again, trying to differentiate between "shared history" and a true rivalry in any sense of the word. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add this, this, and this, where it at least notes that the rivalry did once "mean something." Again, I'm keeping this as "weak keep" because I acknowledge you make valid points, but there are sources out there that discuss this as a legitimate rivalry. SPF121188 ^{(talk this way)} ^(contribs) 19:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Coaches and players attempting to downplay the rivalry before their preseason game do not mean this is not a rivalry. On the contrary, all the attempts to downplay it suggest just how strong it is with the fans.[2][3][4] – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Geographical proximity of two teams in one of the most popular sports leagues in the world. Even if it were just a rivalry for attention off the field, that'd be enough. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Would seem notable, we have articles for the Yankees-Red Sox or many other baseball rivalries. Oaktree b (talk) 20:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but the Yankees and Red Sox have played as many 22 regular season games (154 game schedule before 1961.) a year against one another. The Jets and Giants meet every 4 years. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is certainly a notable rivalry, though the teams do not play that often. I think the sources back this up. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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