Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grasswidow

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grasswidow

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The article is about the word not the concept. As such it is a dicdef and not appropriate to Wikipedia. Some of the content can be merged here. I would add that there is no such word as 'grasswidow', the correct term being 'grass widow'. Though this could be dealt with by a page move and rewrite it doesn't solve the fundamental problem. Delete. Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The references support both terms equally--that part is the proper subject of a move discussion, not an AfD. I see the article as discussing the concept as well as the word. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - sorry, the references don't support both terms equally. There are two refs and neither contain the term. The Webster reference, for example says "grasswidow - The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above. 1. grass widow 2. grass widower". The fact that the article contains some example of incorrect usage is not a reference. Where does this contain encyclopedic material? The lead is a definition. The first para under 'Term' is etymology, the second para under Term is an unsourced assertion - who says this is a more common usage? and the rest examples of usage. Guidance is at WP:NOTDIC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, no matter which spelling (links suggest grass widow; there also is no word such as dicdef, btw. Being a stub-class article is not a sufficient reason for deletion.--Flammingo^Hey 07:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. The article doesn't seem to add anything beyond what wiktionary:grass widow has. The section 'Term' is problematic in that it cites a single source, which it disagrees with. The source, World Wide Words, speculates that the 'grass' might refer to hill stations in British-occupied India, making love in the fields, or being "put out to grass"; the Wikipedia page says confidently, "The 'grass' refers to the mattress, which used to be filled with grass." Cnilep (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article doesn't add anything that isn't otherwise covered. No matter what you read into what the article intends to cover, it simply isn't covering a concept; it's the word (the rest is diambiguation/see also material). Shadowjams (talk) 08:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per DGG. There's potential for expansion into a fuller definition of the concept, and nobody seems to argue that sources regarding the concept can't be found. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete everything except the "see also" section, which should be converted into a disambiguation page. The rest of the article is a pure dictionary definition that adds nothing to Wiktionary's entry - while this does have an etymology it contradicts it's only source and I don't believe it worth transwikiing the resulting unreliable material. Unlike Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, I do no think that there is the possibility of making an encyclopaedic article about the concept as I can't see anything beyond dictionaric material in the sources I've looked for. What I think would be possible would be to write an encyclopaedic section on the widow article about the situations where "widow" is used in combination where the husband is away, e.g. "grass widow", "golf widow", "wiki widow", etc. If written, this should be referenced from the dab page at this title. Thryduulf (talk) 09:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE This belongs on Wiktionary.Simonm223 (talk) 14:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.