Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great Cornard Upper School
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep, notability now established by reliable sources, fuzzy logic notwithstanding. NawlinWiki 23:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Non notable school. No famous alumni, nor anything else of special note. Unless we would like WP to turn into an indiscriminate collection of schools all over the world, it would seem this page does not add much to the encyclopedia. xC | ☎ 08:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep strong The notability has different levels and degrees. So, it depends. If 10 thousand of people have graduated this school, this means notability is aproximately 100 thousand. This 100 thousands has the right to obtain and spreed information about human cultural management. Ttturbo 08:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was under the (perhaps mis)guided impression that notability is of two types - notability and non-notability. Something that is notable, will remain simply notable, I'm afraid I'm lost as to the different levels and degrees you mention. What degree of notability/level would this school fall under? Can you provide a reliable source for this figure of ten thousand graduates? And who exactly decided (and on what basis) that having ten thousand graduates (whether notable or not)directly creates notability of aproximately 100 thousand? If you could clarify these few trivialties, I'd be more than happy to come around to your point of view. Regards,xC | ☎ 10:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The idea about only notability and non-notability belongs to classical logic concept of 17th age. Recently one more logic FUZZY LOGIC was created to operate different degrees of categories and even truth. It is very hard basic problem of artificial intelectTtturbo 11:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a UK secondary school (with a Six form/FE provision attached) - it will not and does not award degrees - the term "technology college" might confuse people from overseas. Ttturbo's argument is not one I am familar with and has nothing to do with any policy I'm aware of. --Fredrick day 10:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't understand the reasoning myself...at this point, without further clarification, I won't be changing my !vote, its still delete. Could I request you to weigh in on this AfD as well? Thanks for your time,xC | ☎ 10:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- All the schoolchildren and teacher had some relatives to whom school is important. There is some neighbourhood of every schooll in some comunity too. This makes the impressive enough natability of school enough. Perhaps, there is no enough clear definition of notability in wikipedia and this makes some confusions and missunderstandings. For example I don't know is this school far from Bush's farm, from NASA headquarters or was it wisited by Ruby or Oswald when JFK was murdered. But I like Your idea to force authors produce really interesting article about every school. I don't know, is it the best way to mark for deletion such articles, maybe better to try something of this kind but not so threatening. If there is some pupil, who wants to make his school visible to all the world - it is great. Perhaps he is going to make some more nice things for the surrounding area and wiki. Ttturbo 11:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, there is a clear definition - notability. It is irrelevant whether this school is near Bush's farm, or near NASA HQ, or whatever else. The school has to be notable, not only its geographic location. I don't see whats threatening about an article being marked for deletion, we're all volunteers here, its not like anyone here as any vendetta against a particular school. Just for knowledge, there are five pillars that WP is built on, all us editors strive to adhere to them. As far as I can see, this school is non-notable. Happy editing,xC | ☎ 11:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- All the schoolchildren and teacher had some relatives to whom school is important. There is some neighbourhood of every schooll in some comunity too. This makes the impressive enough natability of school enough. Perhaps, there is no enough clear definition of notability in wikipedia and this makes some confusions and missunderstandings. For example I don't know is this school far from Bush's farm, from NASA headquarters or was it wisited by Ruby or Oswald when JFK was murdered. But I like Your idea to force authors produce really interesting article about every school. I don't know, is it the best way to mark for deletion such articles, maybe better to try something of this kind but not so threatening. If there is some pupil, who wants to make his school visible to all the world - it is great. Perhaps he is going to make some more nice things for the surrounding area and wiki. Ttturbo 11:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't understand the reasoning myself...at this point, without further clarification, I won't be changing my !vote, its still delete. Could I request you to weigh in on this AfD as well? Thanks for your time,xC | ☎ 10:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the teaching of newcomer. There is notability understanding in common sense - (this school is notable enough) and there is some wiki-understanding meaning of notabilty becouse of definition. Sometimes this is not the same. Of course I've red requirements of Wikipedia:notability. I hope that school was described in some newspaper or magazine, which could be supposed to be independent source. I would like to stress about oficial UK governmental department source, which provides information about this Great Cornard Upper School - http://www.des.gov.uk/cgi-bin/performancetables/archives//shschool2_97?School=9354019.Ttturbo 19:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep No reason has been given for singling this out, when there are thousands of high schools with an article. Greg Grahame 21:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Simply because other non-notable schools have articles doesn't mean this one should as well. We have to start the cleanup somewhere.xC | ☎ 07:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non-notable. Google News produces two passing mentions only. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep this. --Huon 22:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Greg Grahame Jcuk 22:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This school is notable and verifiable, as evidenced by the multiple independent and reliable sources (now) contained in the article. -- DS1953 talk 00:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- DS1953 talk 00:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - OK, I have added more sources and material. This is an important school in the community. It is now underpinned by the necessary multiple sources. TerriersFan 02:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Recent edits have significantly improved the article. Multiple independent reliable and verifiable sources are provided to establish notability per the [{Wikipedia:Notability]] guideline. Alansohn 03:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.