Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grizzly Bear Lake (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Lakes of Grand Teton National Park. Joyous! Noise! 19:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grizzly Bear Lake

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This was nominated and kept in 2022 based on several "Keep" !votes citing WP:GEOLAND and WP:NEXIST. The article meets neither of these guidelines as NEXIST requires sources that, well, exist and GEOLAND requires sources with "verifiable information beyond simple statistics". The only non-map/database source is a climber's guide which mentions the lake in passing as a landmark on the way to a destination. This isn't SIGCOV and it tells us nothing about the lake itself aside from its relative location. Given the lack of additional coverage, deletion is appropriate in this case. –dlthewave ☎ 18:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Wyoming. –dlthewave ☎ 18:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GEONATURAL - information beyond coordinates exists for this lake, including a couple scholarly surveys. It's not much, but it doesn't take much for articles like these to be kept. SportingFlyer T·C 19:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SportingFlyer, could you please link a few of these sources so that we can assess? –dlthewave ☎ 20:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Lakes_of_Grand_Teton_National_Park#Grizzly_Bear_Lake. Sirfurboy did a nice job starting this article, and now this is the best place for coverage for these minor lakes per WP:NOPAGE regardless of if surveys of the park inlcuded this lake. Reywas92^Talk 23:00, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or merge to Lakes of Grand Teton National Park. There is simply not enough information to make an encyclopaedic article about this lake. The nom.'s case is correct, and GEOLAND says The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. The more general article exists and the lake is included in the redirect target. The difference between redirect or merge is whether to copy across the small amount of information on this page not found in the target. The information is from a trail guide, and WP:NOTGUIDE applies. I don't think Wikipedia articles should be reproducing trail information, although linking to it is fine, perhaps in external links. However I would not object to a considered consensus to merge. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above to Lakes of Grand Teton National Park. This is one of a series of small Teton lake AfDs that share the same issues. Others have already been closed as redirects.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 11:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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