Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamilton McWhorter III

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein ^talk 12:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton McWhorter III

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~~Does~~Did not satisfy military notability guidelines, because not awarded Medal of Honor or promoted to flag rank. ~~Does not satisfy general notability guidelines.~~ Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)#[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep aces, especially multiple aces are notable. Mztourist (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. First navy ace. First navy double-aces. A huge amount of sources on him, even an entire book. Vici Vidi (talk) 08:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A search shows plenty of independent sources that discuss the subject in depth. Aymatth2 (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Snow Speedy Keep. First navy ace. First navy double-aces. Meets WP:GNG. WP:HEY. Article has been improved since nomination. Proving WP:Before ignored. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep WP:SNOW WP:PILEON Ouch! WP:BEFORE yields a notable WWII Ace.

permanent citation for the Gold Star 1947 Long Beach Independent from the Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal he received a "permanent citation for a Gold Star in lieu of a third Air Medal." for meritorious achievement in arial flight against Japanese forces..."January 13, 1947
Given Command of the VF-12, calls him a "WWII Ace with 12 enemy planes to his credit" in the Jacksonville Jax Air News December 3, 1953
The Navy declared him a WWII Ace in 1945 published in the Tucson Daily Citizen February 24, 1945 Lightburst (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP The article was massively improved [1], and for the reasons others have mentioned. Clearly notable in his field. Dream Focus 15:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw nomination - The current article and the article that was nominated for deletion are two entirely different articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep on the presumption that being an air ace is enough, but many of the sources used in this article are dubious. What, for example, makes acepilots.com, Honor365.org or ussessex.org reliable? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. Whatever the basis for this observation, they are redundant sources. For example, they corroborate this magazine article Dorr, Robert F. (21 October 2019). "Sharp Shooting Hellcat "Mac" McWhorter Runs Up the Score" (PDF). Flight Journal. Retrieved 22 July 2020. and the books and multiple other sources.

Here are the cited books:

Cleaver, Thomas McKelvey (2017). Pacific Thunder: The US Navy's Central Pacific Campaign August 1943 – October 1944. Oxford UK: Osprey Publishing. p. 79. ISBN 9781472821843. Retrieved 23 July 2020.
Cleaver, Thomas McKelvey (2018). Tidal Wave: From Leyte Gulf to Tokyo Bay. Oxford UK: Osprey Publishing. p. 137. ISBN 9781472825476. Retrieved 22 July 2020.
Danilov, Victor (November 30, 1997). Hall of Fame Museums (1st ed.). Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 159. ISBN 978-0313300004.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)
Toliver, Raymond F.; Constable, Trevor J (1979). Fighter Aces of the U.S.A. Fallbrook, California: Aero Publishers, Inc. p. 385. ISBN 0-8168-5792-X. Library of Congress card number 79-53300
Young, Edward M. (18 March 2014). F6F Hellcat Aces of VF-9 (Aircraft of the Aces (Book 119) ed.). Oxford, United Kingdom: Osprey Publishing. p. 43. ISBN 978-1782003359. Retrieved 22 July 2020.

Read them. The sourcing issue is illusory. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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