Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houdini (rapper)

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:55, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Houdini (rapper)

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO. No awards, no charted songs, and little coverage in reliable secondary sources. Of the sources used in the article, most are song lists or make trivial mention of this artist. Three sources used in the article offer some biographical detail, but the websites are not notable and appear to be user-submitted (each has a "sent us your content" link), see [1][2][3]. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The album Hou I Am peaked at 27 on the Canadian Independent Music Association Charts. HipHopCanada is the biggest Hip Hop news source in Canada. GRM Daily is the third-largest hip hop outlet in the UK. Both sources are well known within the Hip Hop community, as they not only provide news but also act as an outlets for artists to gain popularity and fame. They are written by editors from the companies. I have also added more notable / reliable sources. I believe this article is notable enough to keep, however, if there are changes that can be made to make it stand out even more, suggest them to me and I will make those changes. Thank you. TwinTurbo (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TwinTurbo is the creator of the article. -The Gnome (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Independent Music Association charts are not notable, per WP:CHART. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both his mixtapes were released Create Music Group which is distributed by Sony Music. TwinTurbo (talk) 18:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Create Music Group is a pay-for-use distribution service which accesses 100+ music stores (including Sony, Apple, Spotify, etc.) How does this support notability? Magnolia677 (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. CIMA is not a notability-making record chart for the purposes of passing NMUSIC's charting criterion — for a Canadian artist recording in 2019, the only chart that fulfills that criterion anymore is Billboard's Canadian Hot 100. Would that this were the 1980s or 1990s, so that The Record and RPM still existed — but it's not, and they don't. And as for the "major label" criterion, we're looking for the label, not the distributor — and Create Music Group is not a notable record label for the purposes of passing that criterion, nor are mixtapes considered "albums" for the purposes of that criterion. All of which means the only NMUSIC criterion in play here is #1, "has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself", but there are zero sources here that pass that test — the only one that's even a reliable source at all, Complex, just namechecks his existence a single time in a blurb about somebody else, and is thus not substantively about Houdini. None of the other sources are contributing anything at all: for a Canadian musician, the kind of sources you have to show are real daily newspapers, the CBC, Exclaim!, BeatRoute, Now, The Georgia Straight, Voir, Cult MTL and other publications of that ilk — "My Better Life" does not cut it, "Hip Hop Canada" does not cut it, "Notoriously" does not cut it. Now, obviously this can be recreated in the future if and when he has a stronger notability claim and better sourcing for it than this — for example, if he pulls off the trick of getting a Juno Award for Rap Recording of the Year nomination next year (rare, but not entirely unprecedented, for a mixtape), then that will obviously change things — but as things currently stand, neither the substance of what there is to say about him nor the quality of the sourcing available to support it clear the bar yet as of today. Bearcat (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @TwinTurbo: I notice you gave this article a B-class rating on its talk page after creating it. Perhaps if you share your rationale for arriving at a B-class rating, this will help to support the article's notability. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:59, 14 December 2019 *(UTC)
Delete per nomination and Bearcat's amply presented reasoning, which saves us from repetition. Subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. -The Gnome (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearcat's very well reasoned explanation of why there is no passing of music notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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