Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hovey Manor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. While I find myself in agreement HighKing most of the time, the consensus here among discussion participants is that the recent work done on this article helps demonstrate that the subject meets GNG now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hovey Manor

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Fails WP:GNG, cites no sources. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 17:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 17:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Seems notable:

CT55555(talk) 19:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep agree with sources found, is notable enough for GNG. Article badly needs a rewrite.

Oaktree b (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Have done the rewrite. CT55555(talk) 00:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Rewrote properly, reliably sourced. Sarrail (talk) 01:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Also found https://globalnews.ca/news/8110474/clintons-quebec-vacation-august-2021/ as a potential source for the article which I added. Clearly notable given its reputation and history. Liamyangll (talk to me!) 12:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep we have an article with RS. Lightburst (talk) 19:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This topic is about a hotel therefore its a company and WP:NCORP guidelines apply, not just GNG as some Keep !voters have pointed to above. Both require "independent" sources and NCORP spells out what is meant by "independent" which not only includes "functional independence" (no corporate links, etc) but also include "intellectual independence" (see "Independent Content" at WP:ORGIND). "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. The content must also be regarded as deep or significant and containing in-depth information *on the company*. I'm assuming all the sources are WP:RS. Let's look at the sources:
- This in the Montreal Gazette is entirely based on information provided by the owner (Mr. Stafford) with no indications of any in-depth and independent analysis/commentary/etc. The elaborate and detailed description of the hotel contains nothing new, a simple search for the hotel provides examples of much of their advertising using the same descriptions (e.g. virtuoso, the Relais and Chateaux entry, their FB page (in french), American Express website, etc). Fails NCORP criteria for establishing notability.
- This in the Globe and Mail (paywall) can fortunately also be found in this PDF on page 15. It is merely a small mention for a total of 5 sentences and is neither deep nor significant and fails the criteria set out in WP:CORPDEPTH.
- This in CBC is a mention-in-passing with no in-depth information on the company/hotel beyond the usual two line description, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND.
- This in Global News is also a brief mention of the topic company with quotes from the owner but contains no in-depth information at all, fails WP:CORPDEPTH

I am unconvinced that the "awards" are significant enough to establish notability either, there are so many awards available for hotels and travel destinations and so many different factors for each award that for the most part, awards in this industry have little weight. None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability, topic fails NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this article about a corporation though? Or is it about the history of a building etc. Much of this is not about the company that currently operates the business that operates from within the hotel. i.e. this is about the hotel building, guests, history, location, not just about Quebec Corporation XYZ Inc, etc CT55555(talk) 14:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.