Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ice hockey (film)

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The result was speedy keep - Nominator has a revised opinion and no one else is in favor of deletion. (Non-admin closure) "Pepper" @ 06:32, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ice hockey (film)

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No refs..orphaned...not in IMD SethWhales^talk 20:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

and pardon Seth Whales, but in digging I found that it is in IMDB and the Russian Wikipedia.Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Rigsofrods (talk) 23:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: We may want to look at Russian-language sources for this. A film this age, of a foreign language, and of less than high notability may not be found in English-language sources online. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 00:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: In WP:BEFORE I checked the director and actors and learned that the film title is somewhat different, which would affect searches quite a bit. In the USA it's The Hockey Players (1965), with AKAs: (original title) Khokkeisty, East Germany Eishockeyspieler, Finland Mestarit, Soviet Union (Russian title) Хоккеисты, World-wide (English title) The Hockey Players... so we have a far wider set of search parameters thusly. Y Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It has an article in the Russian Wikipedia as Хоккеисты (фильм) which Google translates as Ice hockey (film)...and admittedly the article title here is simply the Google translation, but in comparing cast and crew, I found it in English-IMDB released a year later under a slightly different translation. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And heck, even this source translates the Russian title Хоккеисты as Hockey Players, not Ice Hockey. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 05:39, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with Erik over the difficulty in sourcing a Russian film, and worry more about sourcing a film made in the early 60s in the Soviet Union. Impossible? I think not. Gonna take some effort? I would agree, yes. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 14:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 14:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 14:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Found for instance Komsomolskaya Pravda entry about the film ([1]), among the actors is notable Georgiy Zhzhonov. Brandmeister^talk 16:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notable per MQS's improvements and Brandmeister's assessment of Russian-language sources. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the article as of now is properly sourced. It is funny that the film involves a famous writer as a screenplay author, and at least two famous non-actors in minor roles, but these are trivia.--Ymblanter (talk) 01:36, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Viewing the nom's contribution list is instructive: in the same hour in which he filed this AfD, he used the same tool suite to nominate, prod and/or tag eleven articles off the New Pages list, all within hours of creation, and certainly leaving little time to satisfy the requirements of WP:BEFORE. I encourage the nom to patrol from the back end of the New Pages list, rather than from the start, which gives article creators genuine time to work on their articles. That would've avoided this AfD, I expect, since the article creator did a half-dozen edits after the AfD was filed. That sourcing a 50-year-old Russian language film might be difficult I acknowledge, but plainly others have managed, and the answer to that oughtn't be knee-jerk AfD filing in any event. Ravenswing 04:06, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based upon my own understandings of policy and guidelines and the knowledgeable input from others of my own observations and improvements. We had a poorly written article on a 1964 Soviet film (not a blanket cause to delete), and WP:NTEMP exists for a reason. I was not aware that the nominator does not practice diligent WP:BEFORE nor was unable to even suppose or guess that foreign language sources might exist for a foreign language film... nor that he is unaware of the intent toward cauttion described in WP:TIND. Wow. I'd strongly encourage that the nominator pay careful heed to WP:DEL#REASON and understand why WP:PRESERVE exists, and that under WP:WIP and WP:IMPERFECT deletion does not always serve a growing encyclopedia nor its readers. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 06:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm happy to keep, however this article has considerably improved since it was created. The link to IMDB was this and the article name was Ice hockey (film), not The Hockey Players (film). It was also orphaned with no refs. If the author had done a bit more work on the article before creating it, I wouldn't have nominated it for deletion. SethWhales^talk 17:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your essentially withdrawing with an explanation. I can only encourage that in any WP:BEFORE of brand new articles-in-work you look beyond a new contributor's possible errant title and explore cast and crew and seek non-English sources for non-English works prior to declaring something non-notable. With that courteous withdrawal and no dissenting opinions, I propose this can be closed as a SPEEDY KEEP. Be well, Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 21:49, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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