Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Institute of Brewing and Distilling

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 00:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Institute of Brewing and Distilling

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It's not clear why this should be considered notable under WP:NORG or other applicable. There are a bunch of sources to the organization itself but I can't seem to find anything solid elsewhere. It's been tagged as deficient for going on four years now. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 04:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 04:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep
- Although the organisation is an important part of the professional brewing community this page is not up to the requirements of a page in an encyclopedia - The lists of red links and the stagnation in article development does little to support the need to keep the page I certainly do see why one would recommend this for deletion. However it is a significant organisation in the brewing industry and the global professional brewing community. I will commit to working on the page to some level of acceptability. &Brew^t@lk 08:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: If this is a "significant" organization in the brewing community, then there should be reliable sources stating so. Where are they, please? Nha Trang ^Allons! 00:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable trade association in a notable industry in a notable country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notable how exactly, please? Just baldly stating it doesn't make it so. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:19, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Odd, considering you've baldly stated it isn't! It is the main professional association for brewers in Britain, a major country known for its beer. It has been so for well over a century. That, as far as I'm concerned, meets the notability criteria. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually if you review this page I've made no positive statement about the org's notability. What I said was there's a multi-year failure to demonstrate notability, and my WP:BEFORE look for such failed. Again, to make a positive contribution here we need sources not opinions. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A re-check per WP:BEFORE turned up a one-column entry in The Oxford Companion to Beer [1], but we'll need more than this. Note that the International Centre for Brewing and Distilling is an unrelated but probably notable entity. Bri.public (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Cleaned up references on the page, which I believe caused some confusion with regards to notability. Likewise, just looking at a Google News search as shown here [2], I see multiple references to the Institute. Granted, not in-depth, but more than enough to establish notability as an organization that can be looked at as gaining notability under WP:MULTSOURCES. In addition, if we look to Google Scholar as shown here [3] we literally see thousands (1,000+) cites to the organization. Being tagged as deficient is not a reason for deletion but a reason for clean up. Thanks ShoesssS ^Talk 20:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't decided yet. The organisation may well be notable, but it definitely reads like an advert at the moment. Deb (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Oxford Companion to Beer is an excellent source and explains that this organisation has been through several name changes since being founded as the Laboratory Club in 1886. As the current name is comparatively recent (2005), there is likely to be more material under the other, older names. Andrew D. (talk) 08:54, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, but it does need some work. Several primary sources will need to be replaced. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 05:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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