Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish E-Sports

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As is customary, the recommendations of new and unregistered users have been given less weight. Stifle (talk) 08:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irish E-Sports

Irish gaming clan. Supported by a couple of websites, but I wouldn't call them reliable independent sources, and I don't think the article demonstrates this group's notability. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails notability. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, ~~fails notability~~ no sufficiently reliable sources to establish notability.--Boffob (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nn Clubmarx (talk) 22:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep My definition of notability is Something worthy of note, so therefore being the largest and currently most competitivly successful online gaming clan in Ireland and independantly hosting over 10% of that countries online gaming servers is worthy of note. With first place finishes in 2 of the 3 big tournaments at the largest lan events held in Ireland this year and last Irish E Sports displays all the criteria to be of note in the gaming community Dixy79 (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep ~~By claiming not notable you're denying the existence of gaming in Ireland by removing a fore running group in Irish organised gaming~~ As the current most successful gaming organisation in the Rep. Ireland (and probably the largest), and one of the largest game server hosts within the country I think notability can be claimed on those grounds. PolarIce (talk) 23:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This page has been protected from speedy deletion twice by Jerry (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) and SoWhy (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) within the last two weeks. See Talk:Irish_E-Sports --- PolarIce (talk) 00:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Please note that denying speedy deletion (CSD #A7) does not create any notability nor does it mean the declining admin thinks that some exists. So Why 16:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Irish eSports are a massive part of the Irish Gaming community and are doing much to push it forward. They run the most popular and best servers in Ireland and also compete well competitively. By claiming not notable you're setting the scene back Oisinjm (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as failing WP:GROUP due to the absence of reliable sources to verify the claims of notability. I would remind Dixy79 and Oisinjm that any discussion of notability should be within the community definition, not their own personal ones and to Polar Ice I would point out that to avoid an A7 speedy deletion an article only needs to assert notability however in order to be kept long-term it must be shown to meet the specific community guidelines.Nancy ^talk 05:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete of note in the gaming community might make it suitable for a game website. But at Wikipedia, there is a notability guideline that requires coverage in reliable third-party sources to be considered suitable for inclusion. Without such sources, the article cannot meet our standards. Randomran (talk) 07:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete seems to be much more notable than your average gaming clan but still, the only mentions of this group are on gaming websites of dubious notability. Icewedge (talk) 07:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: By deleting this page you are denying notability to gaming related topics in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark10101 (talk • contribs) _{(comment moved from talk page Nancy^talk} 10:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC))[reply]
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Delete Organisations such as this cannot pass Wikipedia's definition of notability without evidence of multiple reliable sources. Gaming-related topics can and do have such evidence, so we're not denying notability to them in general — we're simply saying that this one isn't notable. Nyttend (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:Notability has a specialized meaning on Wikipedia. It's not notability in the dictionary sense, but rather something to the effect of "We don't have decent sources, therefore we can't write a decent (read:verifiable) article, therefore we shouldn't bother having an article". And that's pretty much the case here. Nifboy (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Irish eSports are the sole "good" team in the Irish Gaming community and have done a lot to spread its name, make appearances and generally be a sound bunch of lads. Their achievements speak for themselves and the best Counter Strike Source team in Ireland should have its own wiki page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bontonfrink (talk • contribs) 16:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Irish eSports are the most notable Multi Gaming Organisation in Ireland and have the best CSS and COD4 teams in the country. As such I don't believe the page should not be deleted Shaneomad (talk 19:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Why delete? Irish eSports is a growing community, it takes time. support IE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.214.132 (talk) 19:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I believe this page should be kept so that Irish esports scene can develop into something big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Int000 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete — After looking and searching hard, there is a lack of reliable sources establishing the significant coverage needed in the WP:GNG. It is also noted that all reasons to keep as stated above are virtually WP:ITSNOTABLE claims that provide no verifiablity from reliable sources to back that up, while others are just obvious canvassing attempts from SPAs. MuZemike (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note — (another edit conflict) Wikipedia's deletion policy states that These processes are not decided through a head count, so participants are encouraged to explain their opinion and refer to policy and that it is considered inappropriate to ask people outside of Wikipedia to come to the discussion in order to sway its outcome. Such comments may be ignored. MuZemike (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Couldn't find sources that showed especial notability, they are just another clan. None of the keep !votes have made any claims that would make me think it was notable, so i suspect sources do not exist.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yobmod (talk • contribs)

Comment: There are a lot of sources provided in the page. PolarIce (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: only one of these sources (independent.ie, for two cites) appears reliable under wiki guidelines, but it doesn't mention Irish E-Sports specifically (only Irish 'gamers' in general). That's why the article's subject doesn't appear notable, despite the 7 inline cites.--Boffob (talk) 19:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CommentAre you going to dismiss the cite from GotFrag and Game-monitor as non reliable, both of which directly refer to aspects of the article? PolarIce (talk) 01:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're not providing significant coverage to Irish E-Sports in particular — just to the tournament and rankings, respectively. For those two articles I am not questioning their reliability as much as the providing of significant coverage. I don't see a mention in a Top 100 list as providing said coverage about the team, nor do I see a brief blurb of "Irish E-Sports placing third at Gamecon XII" as one, either. MuZemike (talk) 03:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.