Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Zandamela

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The result was Draftify‎. as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Zandamela

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Draftify as I am struggling to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Everything that comes up is basic coverage of either his college commitment or his transfer to another school, which is what we call "routine transactional announcements" in other sports. The pieces that seem to be more "in-depth" contain most of the same re-hashed information taken from his college bio, etc., in lieu of any new reporting. JTtheOG (talk) 04:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, American football, Africa, and Florida. JTtheOG (talk) 04:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless several references to reliable sources independent of this college athlete that devote significant coverage to this player are provided. The current version of the article does not say that he has played any college games. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Currently non-notable college athlete with only WP:ROUTINE coverage and no WP:SIGCOV, who could potentially become notable in the future. Frank Anchor 15:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Seems to be a run-of-the-mill player lacking significant coverage. BullDawg (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or draftify. There is already some true SIGCOV, including this in-depth feature story from SI.com. According to this from The New York Times, he was "the No. 1 interior line prospect in the country". See also this from CBS Sports and this from the Orange County Register. Given all of this, the article should be either kept or draftified but not deleted. Cbl62 (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify at least (and do not delete). I have a feeling he'll eventually be notable, and there's already a case for notability currently per Cbl62; I think draft is probably the best outcome. As a side note, this might be the first Mozambican American football player I've ever seen. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed (and I also don't recall any Mozambicans in big-time football). Since the hype doesn't always turn out to be justified, and given his appearent lack of game action, "draftify" probably makes the most sense. Cbl62 (talk) 18:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, “Mozambican players of American football” was not a category I envisioned creating. And to think the original version of the article didn’t even mention it in the lead! JTtheOG (talk) 18:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No WP:SIGCOV is apparent in the article, with only routine coverage of his commitment to USC and Florida found in the sources here stating that he was joining the team. Don't see this subject receiving immediate coverage to warrant draftifying this either. Let'srun (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feature stories like this from SI.com are the antithesis of "routine" coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 00:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Florida Gators on SI is a contractor-operated team-specific microblog hosted on SI.com, most of which are "one-person shops" run by freelance bloggers. Naturally, there is absolutely zero editorial oversight to these, either. See The New York Times, Washington Post, Fortune, etc. JTtheOG (talk) 01:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yeah, unfortunatly SI is a mere shadow of what it used to be, more's the pity. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @JTtheOG: You are making unsupported accusations. Lets review:

First, the author of the piece is not some local freelance Florida blogger. The piece was written by a senior editor, Terrance Biggs, who is an established journalist and a member of the Football Writers Association of America and a National Football Foundation voter who is among the journalists who votes for the FWAA All-Americans, Jim Thorpe, Davey O'Brien, Outland, and Biletnikoff Awards. See Biggs bio. So dismissing the piece as the work of a blogger rather than a journalist is simply wrong.

Second, your broader attack on the credibility of SI.com is exaggerated. While SI is not what it used to be (most media outlets aren't), it remains a reliable source of sports journalism. There was much worry amid the Maven takeover in 2019 and its mass layoffs and conversion of the enterprise from primarily print-based to primarily web-based. You claim that it is now a "blog", that all the writers are "bloggers", and that there is no editorial oversight. I don't see that assertion being backed up in the sources you linked. Moreover, your sources are dated, being published in 2019/2020, well prior to Minute Media's takeover of editorial operations, including digital operations. See here. Biggs' feature story on Zandemala post-dates the Minute Media assumption of editorial oversight. Cbl62 (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a Sports Illustrated article. This is a Florida Gators on SI article, and equating them (or their reliability) would be inaccurate. I never said this author was a local freelance Florida blogger, nor did I attack the credibility of Sports Illustrated itself, which I agree remains a reliable source. JTtheOG (talk) 10:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the piece I linked to say that Minute Media is now doing editorial oversight for the entire SI.com digital presence. It was after Minute Media took over that they started hiring more respected journalists like Terrance Biggs. I don't buy the argument you're making that a feature story by an established journalist like Biggs on the SI.com site can or should be treated as an unreliable source. Cbl62 (talk) 01:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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