Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Isom (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It's not about guideline vs. essay; if it passes either, it's notable. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Isom

Fails WP:Athelete (assuming that applies to managers and coaches as well). Also, no sources cited. Gosox5555 (talk) 02:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm not sure whether he would fail WP:ATHLETE - according to its article, the Frontier League is professional, and if so he would pass that guideline. That's ultimately irrelevant however as he definitely fails the more specific WP:BASEBALL/N (as noted in the previous AfD) - minor league coaches and players are generally not notable unless the article provides multiple third-party non-trivial sources, which this one doesn't. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 14:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ATHLETE is a guideline, WP:BASEBALL/N is an essay. If he passes WP:ATHLETE, then we should keep the article. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I agree that WP:ATHLETE has a higher status since it reflects Wikipedia-wide consensus, while WP:BASEBALL/N reflects the consensus of WikiProject Baseball. The problem, however, is that WP:ATHLETE can be difficult to interpret; for example, it doesn't explicitly talk about managers or coaches, and there is long-standing controversy whether the low minor leagues should be considered "fully professional." That's why the WikiProject drafted its essay to help clarify our interpretation of the broader notability criteria. BRMo (talk) 01:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete has only accomplished minor league coaching so far, not the major league level. Royal broil 04:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Multiple independent sources plus his professional/college playing career have been added. I see no problems any more. Royal broil 00:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Accomplished minor league baseball manager. I have fixed up the article and added multiple sources. Spanneraol (talk) 14:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and re-direct to Wisconsin Timber Rattlers. His "pro career" was playing minor league ball. In general, minor leaguers aren't notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But managers are. Spanneraol (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not to me and not to WP:BASEBALL/N. Local coverage about the home team don't really sway me. Local papers are supposed to cover local events. That's what they have to do to sell papers. If I took over the team tomorrow, they'd talk about me too. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's marginal, but a couple of sources do provide significant coverage of subject, thereby satisfying WP:N. BRMo (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.