Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Lines

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep due to the lack of calls for deletions beyond the nominator and thanks to the extraordinary work of Megalibrarygirl in bringing the article up to grade through professional editing and sourcing. A non-admin closure. And Adoil Descended (talk) 11:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Lines

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The subject is not notable enough to be on Wikipedia. There hasn't been enough evidence to justify their notability and likely won't be enough content for this page to ever reach such a level, even with the addition of more sources. NikolaiHo 21:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia criteria for entertainers includes "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" as a criteria. Per the article, the subject has starred in multiple notable stage productions. How does this not meet the notability requirement? Dbarefoot (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just looking at the article content, it states that "She has starred in productions at the Arts Club Theatre, Bard on the Beach, Vancouver Playhouse and the Belfry Theatre,..." all of which are simply theatres or organizations. It doesn't once mention a specific show which she was involved in, which is because none were notable enough to be on Wikipedia either. The organizations aforementioned are relatively small scale local enterprises, so none of their productions are considered notable per Wikipedia's policies. So no, she has not been in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions, or at least the article doesn't state it. Well, after doing some Google querying, I didn't find any notable results either. NikolaiHo 23:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article's content doesn't always determine notability. In this case, it's a lot harder to source stage actors. I've started putting together her body of work and added critical receptions to her performance. She passes as WP:NACTOR, #1, as she has had several major roles in different productions. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've added a considerable body of work to her article which illustrates that she has major roles in several different important plays. Many times, she is the female lead. I've also added critical receptions to her work (all of which were positive so far). Please take a look at the article. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more convinced by the arguments for notability if it could be shown that Lines had performed in major roles in major productions in more than one city. Vancouver is an important regional centre, and by all accounts that I have heard a lovely place, but in theatre terms it's not New York or London, where a stage actor can make a notable career without performing elsewhere. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the form in which this existed before Megalibrarygirl took it on, I would have agreed with the deletion. But now it's quite solid, and cites a range of reliable newspaper sources not limited to Vancouver alone — in fact, the referencing even gets all the way over to Toronto and Ottawa a couple of times, which is fairly rare for a Vancouver-based stage actress. I'll grant that Vancouver's not NYC or London in terms of theatre, but it's not Palookaville either — it's on the same High-Beta tier of theatre notability as Toronto and Chicago. Certainly not every working stage actor in Vancouver would get a free pass over WP:NACTOR just for working, but that's true of working stage actors in London and NYC too (they aren't all Audra McDonald, after all) — and when it comes to stage acting, having to move around from one city to another to take roles wherever you can get 'em actually tends to work against notability rather than bolstering it as 86 suggests, because the less established actors are the ones who tend to have to move around on the "touring production of Anne of Green Gables" circuit, while the ones who are already making good coin at home tend to stay put. But at any rate, when there's this much sourcing, and you can bring Jessies into it, then that does put her above the waterline. Keep, and barnstar to Megalibrarygirl. Bearcat (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.