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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. causa sui (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

John Di Saia

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This is a person who is occasionally quoted by newspapers on plastic surgery, and sometimes acts as a medical pundit on his local fox news affiliate. However, there are no third party reliable sources that are actually about this person, and so I believe he does not meet the general notability guideline or the notability guideline for people. This article seems to be an accessory to a promotional campaign with the goal of inserting his blog as a source in various cosmetic surgery articles. MrOllie (talk) 19:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr Di Saia is quoted in the Orange County Register frequently. A search at their site reveals over 100 citations in the last few years alone : http://www.ocregister.com/search/?q=john+di+saia&fistype=site

The entry I wrote on him at Wikipedia and the sourcing for the links I have posted at related topics related to that which he has written at his blog on the topics discussed on those pages. You are looking for validation at Wikipedia. He is a source for that validation. The guy is a real plastic surgeon and a good one.

The sourcing includes television spots, newspaper articles, invited quotations in the local newspaper and a medical publication that he has written. I also read his site for the educational background.

I am not a paid writer and as Wiki links are nofollow there is minimal promotional benefit. Jen 111 Smith (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC) — Jen 111 Smith (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Jen, thanks for your contributions. However, you need to read the Wikipedia notability requirements at WP:B and WP:ACADEMIC. Being a "real plastic surgeon" (even "a good one") is not enough. Being quoted a lot is not enough. There has to be significant coverage ABOUT him by independent reliable sources in order for him to qualify for a Wikipedia article. This may seem awfully stringent, but it is necessary to make sure that the only articles published here are about things and people that are important enough to include in an international encyclopedia. --MelanieN (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the academic issue he has unfortunately published as John Di Saia and John DiSaia. His CV (http://www.psinteractive.net/cv.htm) shows more medical journal publications than you have listed. Google scholar is not inclusive apparently. "Significant Coverage" is a pretty vague term. He has been on several television news programs as a source of general knowledge on plastic surgery in particular liposuction and fat removal technologies. I figured your medical section here was pretty sparse and reviewing the American plastic surgeons you have listed, the pages have much less on them than I was able to construct on Dr D. Being a good plastic surgeon can't be a criterion as you have Jan Adams listed and we all know what he did. It's your wiki. I figured quality professionals who obviously contribute to their fields and the internet was enough.

If you were to look into Dr D's representation on the review sites on the net, he is very well regarded by patients:

http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/36292/Dr-John-DiSaia-Orange-CA.html http://www.realself.com/find/California/Orange-County/Plastic-Surgeon/John-Philip-Di-Saia http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-john-disaia-y75lk/ http://www.yelp.com/biz/john-di-saia-md-orange

Than again that might not matter here much either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jen 111 Smith (talk • contribs) 22:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that patient review sites don't carry any weight here; they are anonymous and anyone can write anything they want, so they are neither WP:INDEPENDENT nor WP:RELIABLE as sites. I did search under both spellings of his name in both Google Scholar and PubMed. I don't know why the JAMA letter-to-the-editor didn't turn up on that search, but like the thing I cited above, it is a comment, not a peer reviewed article. The bottom line is that he has had only one article in a peer reviewed journal, published in 1998, in which he was one of three authors. The other items on his CV are things like a presentation at a meeting, or publications in non-peer-reviewed journals. That bibliography is a long, long way from meeting the requirements of WP:ACADEMIC. Since he doesn't qualify as a "professor" type who has had a major impact on his field, he would have to qualify under the general guideline for biographies, and that requires that independent reliable sources write ABOUT him - not just quote him or his blogs. --MelanieN (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(NOTE: The following comment was posted at the top of the page; I am moving it to the appropriate place. --MelanieN (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]

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