Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Kern (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Kern

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This man appears to be notable for one single minor event, which is stealing a car. Also he impersonated someone. There's nothing else here of note. This is also an orphaned article because he's done nothing that requires note outside of the requests of Elizabeth Grzeszczyk (talk · contribs) to add more to it. The article, as it stands, fails WP:GNG and WP:PERP, which apparently exists.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- the lead doesn't even give an indication of what he is notable for. That's a pretty good hint he isn't notable for anything. Fails WP:GNG. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:27, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment [1] etc. make him a marginally notable con-man, but not much else. The current business seems unreferenced, but his colorful history might fit in if Wikipedia had a notability guideline for con artists and frauds. Collect (talk) 15:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Jonathan Kern has been labeled both a legendary con man(Reference 4) and a professional con man(Reference 6). He first impersonated a policeman at age 18(Reference 6) and has gone on to impersonate a journalist, rock stars including members of the Rolling Stones, and music producers. (References 2 and 6) Kern's most notable impersonation was of Jonathan Palmer, the former Formula One Grand Prix race car driver and former BBC motor racing commentator. Kern had taken out credit cards, borrowed cars, purchased clothing and jewelry, and rung up hotel bills all in Palmer's name.(References 2,4,5,6). I believe this Wikipedia page serves as a valuable resource to educate people about this notable person. There was already a consensus to keep the page back in September 2010. I do not understand why there is further discussion at this point to delete the page just because someone (not me) added a Career section on November 23, 2011 which is not verifiable and lists no sources. I believe the solution would be to just remove the Career section of the page. Elizabeth Grzeszczyk (talk) 15:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

— Elizabeth Grzeszczyk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Yes, uncited but you know that the basic detail of the career section is factual don't you Elizabeth? That, Kern has built a successful design business Shellshock Designs Ltd. - do you have any knowledge of that, or do you dispute that? As a person that has been in multiple legal cases against the subject of this article to be seen to be attempting to remove details you know are factual would appear strange.Youreallycan (talk) 19:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's appropriate to mention Kern's involvement in Shellshock (with "successful" if that can be cited), but as written, the section reads like advertising copy - even if true, even without Kern's other history, most of the section doesn't look to get meet notability criteria. Shellshock gets a lot of Google hits but it's not clear to me how much of that is independent coverage as opposed to self-promo & directory listings. If the article is kept, the section should probably be pruned down to about one sentence, unless notability can be established. --GenericBob (talk) 00:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, although there are a lot of returns, reliable sources are thin on the ground and if kept a single sentence would be a correct weight. - Youreallycan (talk) 00:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - minor historic name and shame notability only. Youreallycan (talk) 15:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - essentially a case of WP:BLP1E. There isn't enough significant coverage over a long period of time to make him notable by our standards. Robofish (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:BLP1E. ukexpat (talk) 16:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable, fails WP:CRIME. - DonCalo (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This page is the result of a personal vendetta and this should not be the forum for that. I added the last factual piece on career because I have known the man for years, transacted business with him, and believe that if the page is allowed to stand, it should at least have some balance in the content. JK is a man who made mistakes, went to prison, came back into society, built a successful business and became an active contributor to the community (I happen to know personally of his charitable work with young offenders which he prefers to keep confidential). The press tried to make something out of JK's escapades but they really never amounted to anything notable. Elizabeth Grzeszczyk should not be permitted to use this forum as a vehicle for her personal attack on Mr Kern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GordonBrown11 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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