Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KCB Bank Burundi Limited

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The result was merge to KCB Group. Sandstein 06:10, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KCB Bank Burundi Limited

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Although Kenya Commercial Bank Group is well attested in WP:RS and deserves its own article, this is not true of its small Burundian subsidiary. There is minimal coverage in reliable sources, mostly relating to its creation. Some content might be merged into the parent company article. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is notable --Devokewater@ 19:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ILIKEIT. Can you explain why or how it is notable? —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brigade Piron I encourage you to visit Burundi to see how it is a notable financial institution. Unless you are saying that companies in small African countries do not deserve being on Wikipedia —Zotezangu (talk) 10:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is part of a regional banking group. Burundi being a French speaking country, most sources are in French. English sources are mainly drown from the KCB Group website. Fsmatovu assisted in improving the page over the years. — Zotezangu (talk) 10:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zotezangu, in response to your comment above, I do not think that Burundi does not deserve Wikipedia articles. In fact, you will see that I have contributed quite a few myself. This does not make just any company notable, however. There are plenty of short-lived and non-notable institutions that do not meet WP:COMPANY. I have looked at the literature, French and Kirundi included, and cannot find anything serious about this bank in WP:RS online but I am delighted to be proved wrong. Can you show me what "significant coverage" (see WP:COMPANY) I'm missing? I have found a grand total of two articles covering the bank on Iwacu—Voix du Burundi in the entire period since 2012. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brigade Piron, Three questions: (1) Did you take your time to search other sources such as Business Daily Africa, Daily Nation and The EastAfrican? (2) Did you know that the Burundian unrest has affected the companies thus performance news is rare. (3) Have you looked at the group website? When I find pages outdated, I help improve them instead of requesting that they be deleted. That is what collaboration means. Zotezangu (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do actually read WP:COMPANY which establishes the criteria which the company needs to meet to deserve an article. The group's website is irrelevant because it is not "independent" and therefore not a WP:RS. Do feel free to share the articles and books on the subject you have found. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:10, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brigade Piron, Can we put this to rest? Do remove the template. Zotezangu (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it works. Please see the comment by Vanamonde93 as admin: "There are several assertions of notability here, but scant evidence thereof. !votes need to provide evidence of how the subject meets GNG or NCORP.". —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Brigade Piron, Just noticed that two users who have asked the page to be merged are less than a month old. Might these be sock puppet account? Zotezangu (talk) 21:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zotezangu, I take it you are referring to AleatoryPonderings and Waweruboy? That is a very serious allegation. If you have evidence, you should raise it on WP:SPI rather than here. Otherwise, assume WP:GOODFAITH. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:NCORP, big bank in East Africa Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 09:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Brigade Piron, Zotezangu, Devokewater Ihave reviewed several sources to help determine notabilty. Clearly meets WP:GNG. Megan Barris [[User talk:]] (Lets talk📧) 16:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
http://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/east-africa/2014/11/11/kcb-q3-results/	No relation to subject	Reliable news site	Main topic is subject	✔ Yes
http://allafrica.com/stories/201110260168.html	No connection	~ Not sure on reliabilty	Yep	~ Partial
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/-/539550/1402018/-/xdsqyu/-/index.html	No connection	Reliable news site	Subject main topic	✔ Yes
http://www.nation.co.ke/kenya50/finance/Equity-and-Family-bank-after-banking-crisis/-/2032892/2069008/-/view/asKenya50/-/i1phxoz/-/index.html	No conn	Big news center	Yep	✔ Yes
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/section/article/2012-05-09/52619/	No conn	Big news site in Rwanda	Subject main topic	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

As all these links are dead, it's pretty hard to verify these claims but they do not appear to point to much more than the existence of the Burundian operations of KCB. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) I have researched the parent KCB Group which is a very notable + well known bank in Africa, it has numerous subsidiaries in Africa, these banks are notable too within Africa + beyond, IMHO they pass WP:COMPANY. Regards --Devokewater@ 18:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There are several assertions of notability here, but scant evidence thereof. !votes need to provide evidence of how the subject meets GNG or NCORP.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 05:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Kenya Commercial Bank Group : I don't see clear independent notability, most of the sources in the SA table are dead urls. However, there's a good merge target so deletion is not needed or justified. I've been unable to find enough WP:SIGCOV to justify an independent pass of WP:NCORP. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with KCB Group per Eddie891. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Kenya Commercial Bank Group : KCB burundi article on its own does not pass WP:GNG or WP:SUSTAINED based on sources available. This only makes sense to Keep if there is enough independent, specific and notable coverage for KCB Burundi only; which are just not enough as of today. --waweruboyWaweruboy (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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