Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kangol Kid

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kangol Kid

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Non-notable musician, fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. Notability has been up for 6 years, seems time to decide. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as failing to have notability either asserted or verified. While there is no deadline, six years is quite long enough for sources to be found and added. Fiddle Faddle 21:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, no indications of notability found. Primefac (talk) 21:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, by the way is there a way to see a list of the oldest notability tags on articles? Winner 42 Talk to me! 21:51, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - Ormr2014 | Talk
Redirect to UTFO. Member of a notable group, but lacking in independent notability. --Finngall ^talk 01:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Change to keep based on additional information. Thanks for the effort. --Finngall ^talk 15:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Finngall. A possible search term, marginal notability but not enough referencable text to support an article, group is notable per their chart success. --Jayron32 01:29, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Update vote to Keep as separate article, per additional sources noted below. --Jayron 32 14:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would definitely support a redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The current sourcing sucks, but he has been variously described by third party media as a "Rap Legend", "Hip-hop pioneer", "legendary rapper/producer", etc. In addition to his prior membership in a notable music group (UTFO), his subsequent producer / writer credits add up to more than enough notability in my mind. Obviously, this article is badly in need of better sourcing though. Dragons flight (talk) 01:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vibe, NY Post, and Live Drays are hardly "reputable" sources. Ormr2014 | Talk

Say what? Vibe is a respected venue of music journalism, founded by Quincy Jones. I think it qualifies as perfectly respectable. The New York Post dates to 18-oh-frigging-one. It's suitable enough for a reputable source for establishing notability here. The other one is a bit sketchy. But you can't knock the Vibe or the NY Post. People may have political reasons to argue with the post's editorial stance, and it teeters on the sensationalistic side, but it isn't Joe Nobody's Music Blog. It'll do for this purpose. --Jayron 32 02:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Haiti-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep –

Meets WP:BASIC. Source examples include: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5].

References

^ "UTFO's Kangol Kid Sparks Hip Hop Breast Cancer Awareness Movement". BET.com. 4 October 2011.
^ "Kangol Kid of U.T.F.O. Becomes First Rap Artist to be Honored by the American Cancer Society". Vibe.
^ "Rapper's 1984 hit song at center of librarian lawsuit". New York Post.
^ "Learn the Business Behind Hip Hop". News One.
^ "Hip-Hop Artists to Wait Tables for Breast Cancer Awareness". BET.com. 11 October 2011. (short article)

Also of note is that topic notability is based upon the availability of sources, rather than the state of sourcing in articles. Simply using the find sources template atop this discussion provided some of these sources. Another option, of course, is to merge to UTFO, which would be a suitable WP:ATD compared to overt deletion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's occasional coverage. An award from the Cancer Society doesn't make one a notable rap artist. We don't need to set the bar lower than it already is. And if we want to be precise, since three of your articles are cancer-related, perhaps you're indicating the notability of "Kangol's support of breast cancer awareness". Drmies (talk) 02:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I'm not opposed to a selective merge to UTFO. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Neither am I; it seems like a valid solution. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I'm not sure a merge would work very well. Half of the current Kangol Kid article is about his producing / writing activities separate from UTFO, which would either have to be discarded as unimportant or tacked into UTFO where they aren't entirely relevant. Dragons flight (talk) 03:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have a point there. Most of the coverage centers around the subject's involvement with UTFO, though.

Of note is that the subject also arguably meets WP:MUSICBIO criteria #7, as having been "...one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city", as per (in the Kangol Kid article) "UTFO became one of the most popular rap and breakdance acts in the country on the strength of their breakout single, "Roxanne, Roxanne" and (in the UTFO article) “Roxanne, Roxanne” was ranked number 84 on VH1's 100 Greatest Songs of Hip Hop." North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Yes, this article has been vastly neglected in terms of providing sources, but there are more than enough sources that can verify this person's notability as per Dragons flight, and North America's sources show. (New York Post not reputable? It is a media pioneer founded in 1801). Oppose merge to UTFO. It is common for a lead musician to be mentioned individually, especially after a band-breakup; other ventures may arise such as charitable work etc. (See: Wyclef Jean; Travie McCoy). Kangol Kid was also featured in an episode documentary of Unsung.^[1] List of Unsung episodes#Season 8. I haven't heard a compelling argument other than its lack of sourcing. Savvyjack23 (talk) 06:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ IMBD Kangol Kid

Keep - Squeaks by. BMK (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep- changing my vote, seems okay now. Per WP:SNOW, seems like consensus is to keep (if this isn't an acceptable closure, consider it a "nominator withdraws). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "UTFO's Kangol Kid Sparks Hip Hop Breast Cancer Awareness Movement". BET.com. 4 October 2011.

[2] "Kangol Kid of U.T.F.O. Becomes First Rap Artist to be Honored by the American Cancer Society". Vibe.

[3] "Rapper's 1984 hit song at center of librarian lawsuit". New York Post.

[4] "Learn the Business Behind Hip Hop". News One.

[5] "Hip-Hop Artists to Wait Tables for Breast Cancer Awareness". BET.com. 11 October 2011. (short article)

[6] IMBD Kangol Kid

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