Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Staples (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 07:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Staples

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Non-notable minor league figure. Created by Alexsautographs and then AfD'd by him in the second edit. Some sources mention him, but only in passing. Winning minor league championships as a manger isn't notable, anyway. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep If being a multi-time All-Star at the minor league level is notable, then I believe winning multiple championships is notable as well. Alex (talk) 00:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you get this from? Being a multiple minor league All-Star does not make you notable. The argument has been put forth that someone being a multiple minor league All-Star will make you notable due to your likely ascension as a player. However, minor league managers aren't as likely to be promoted. First, you're comparing apples and oranges. Second, you're asserting the apples are golden delicious when they seem more like horse apples. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep... I know its a bit against the grain, but I prefer not to delete minor league managers that have numerous championships or awards. Just my opinion.Spanneraol (talk) 00:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Would you mind saying why? And if the fact that it was Class-C impacts it at all? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My personal bias I'm afraid... one class-c championship wouldn't cut it but 3 seems worthwhile.Spanneraol (talk) 14:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While I have to admit Alex's editing habits are slightly...curious...the vast majority of this set of AfDs are clearly notable - as is this one. The fact the baseball he managed at was C-level is irrelevant, winning three league championships in professional baseball clearly establishes notability for a manager. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand statements like this. I thought GNG and/or BASE/N were supposed to be used to define "notability" for purposes of baseball-related articles, but it seems like more and more people are applying their own subjective definition -- "played in Spain," "won 3 championships," "minor league all-star," etc. These AfDs are starting to seem like a big free-for-all. — NY-13021 (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This is all subjective... besides playing in Spain passes BABE/N... though that refers to a different afd... The reason they are a big free for all is because we have an ungodly amount of them at once which I think is really ridiculous. Spanneraol (talk) 14:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with NY-13021 in that I don't understand how "winning minor league championships" suddenly trumps a dearth of sourcing. I've withdrawn nominations for articles where I did not find sources but others did. Unless sources are produced in this case, I'm sticking with my nomination. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think User:Muboshgu just has deletion fever, a multiple time championship is extreemly notable. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 19:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- How is it notable? Saying it's notable does not make it so. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I added this link to external links: Ken Staples page at Baseball-reference.com. Then I rewrote the entire article, because most of the information in the article was a copyvio from this link. Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It says in the article he also played professional. Surely there will be official records somewhere showing that. He gets coverage in the news for being a manager of a minor league team. [1] Dream Focus 01:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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