Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klingonaase

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The result was merge to Klingon language. Fritzpoll (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Klingonaase

Trivial dialect of make-believe language. No indication of notability or coverage by third-party sources. --EEMIV (talk) 12:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge ~~to John M. Ford, inventor of the language, or The Final Reflection, the book it was invented for~~. The language is not a dialect of tlhIngan Hol, the more commonly known Klingon language, as it was invented independently, prior to the invention of that language. Klingonaase is considered important by a particular segment of Star Trek fans because it was the first language invented for Klingons, and it has been used in a number of Trek books and a role playing game. There are independent sources, e.g. [1]. There's probably not enough to say about the language to warrant a separate page, but it should be discussed. JulesH (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It may be invented for the book, but it was also part of a role playing game, so merging there would lose information. I prefer a merge to Klingon language. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Klingon language where people will learn something reading about it. Northwestgnome (talk) 14:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to John M. Ford, not to Klingon language...I think that we should not be merging non-canon Star Trek material into canon material pages, especially when their notability is in question. Cazort (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to John M. Ford per Cazort. This does not belong in the main Klingon language article, as it is a separate non-canon language. Grandmartin11 (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Klingon language - as this is what it is. Whether it is "canon" or not canon is not relevant. We aren't memory alpha. -- Whpq (talk) 15:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my opinion to Merge to Klingon language. Mgm has a good point about the book's article being the wrong place to discuss a language used in multiple media, and on reflection I don't think the content would fit on Ford's page either, as it would detract from the more important thread on that page of describing the kind of writer and person Ford was. As Whpq points out, it doesn't really matter to us that the language is non-canon. It is a Klingon language, and while the article will need restructuring to cope with both languages, I see no reason why both cannot be discussed on the same page. JulesH (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - After some thought, I think this should be kept as a separate article. (1) It doesn't belong in John M. Ford or The Final Reflection because it was used in more media than just the book (per Mgm). (2) While it is a Klingon language, in that it is used by Klingons, it is really unrelated to the topic of the Klingon language article, which is tlhIngan Hol. Refactoring that article to discuss both languages would be a mistake in my opinion. If you really think this article can never grow beyond a stub, then perhaps another article on Klingon languages (currently a dab page) or List of Klingon languages would be appropriate. It would discuss both languages, and the section on tlhIngan Hol would have a {{main}} link to Klingon language. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 22:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.