Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ko Iso

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The result was keep and improve. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ko Iso

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Long-term unsourced BLP with little or no notability. The Wordsmith^Communicate 22:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm not sure where the name "Ko Iso" comes from, but translating the Japanese name provided in the article at the Japanese Go Association (see the EL I've added to the article) leads me to a page on a player that appears to be this player, and whose English names is given as "Huang Yih Tzuu". Automated translation gives a name more like "Ho Iso", so that could be the cause. --j⚛e decker ^talk 18:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ugh - some indication of notability, do we have any standards as to what level a Go player needs to reach for notability? (p.s. also hilarious that the japanese wiki page notes his height and that he's one of the "best tall" players of Go, height seems to be a pop culture fixation in Japan/S. Korea, etc.)--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 18:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Am ok keeping per new commentary below.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 19:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am unfamiliar with Go, and Go's ranking system, but reading Wikipedia's article on Go ranks and ratings would indicate that there may be notability. As I have no clue on the matter, I've left a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Go advising them of this AFD. -- Whpq (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think we need to

find & add refs to prove he exists & is at least 4-dan pro
establish notability.

The latter comes from the former, if as I'm sure I'll be able to prove, he's >=4-dan.

Established precedent from an informed editor - life-long Go and chess player (& WP admin.) User:Charles Matthews - is that 4-dan pro upwards are on a par with chess grandmasters, hence notable in the Go world.

(Disclaimer: I'm an amateur Go player, & work on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Go articles.)

BTW, thanks guys for the heads-up & for your efforts. I'll be seeing to this within the next few days. Trafford09 (talk) 18:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the former is easily demonstrated by the EL from the Japan Go Association, which lists him as 7-dan, yes? That doesn't go towards GNG-style "notability from sources" but it seems enough to WP:V the claim, and therefore inherent notability. If I'm not missing something, that leaves me at keep. --j⚛e decker ^talk 19:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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