Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Ryder

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Userify. I agree with the concept of having a "reprieve from deletion to allow for some of us to go through our archives and see what we can find"--the way we do that is to userify, so I moved it to User:XXX Pink Narcissus XXX/Lee Ryder --when the information is found, I or any admin can restore to mainspace DGG ( talk ) 23:35, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Ryder

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Porn performer who does not appear to meet WP:PORNBIO. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 15:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep I can't source his notability right here and now, but he was an extremely well-known performer during the adult industry's transition from "film-houses" to home video. He was covered extensively within the gay media (which, unlike the straight adult industry of the time, was relatively scarce during the early 1980s, making it extremely difficult to source 30 years later), and he is still mentioned today in gay media when reporting about the era. I know he did win a couple of awards of the time, and I can go through some of the old magazines I have to see what I can find, but the page has been here for five years, so I vote for a reprieve from deletion to allow for some of us to go through our archives and see what we can find. It shouldn't be big news that the mainstream media of Ryder's time largely ignored the underground gay industry (making articles like this all the more important). I'm aware of the notability guidelines, but in the case of some of the notable "early" gay stars - I believe WP:Common sense should dictate that a somewhat more lax set of rules should apply, considering the history of gay culture in the United States. Gay adult stars of the 70s and early 80s weren't covered by the mainstream media the way a straight female performer like Jenna Jameson is today, with their own E! True Hollywood Stories, best-selling auto-biographies, guest-starring appearances on Family Guy, etc. Yes, there were a couple of gay stars who approached crossover "fame" like Peter Berlin, and later Jeff Stryker, but those were, by far, the exception rather than the rule. --- XXX Pink Narcissus XXX (talk) 04:55, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While the name is common and difficult to source, what turns up in a GBooks search weighs against notability. This source merely lists Ryder as one of many performers who died from AIDS [1]; this merely includes him in a castlist for a single film [2]. The evidence indicates he isn't viewed as significant even within the limited genre coverage. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.