Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chinese Communist Party members

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chinese Communist Party members

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A list of CCP members would be too long to make a useful list (WP:SALAT). The CCP has almost 100 million active members and Wikipedia is WP:NOTDATABASE. CCP membership is a good category but not a good topic for a list. SilverStar54 (talk) 17:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. This currently is an infinitely expandable list as noted.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. You can imagine this being something like the example given in WP:LISTCRITERIA of List of Norwegian musicians, which is plainly on the face of it far too large a list to be comprehensive, but which remains manageable because it explicitly limits itself to only including Norwegian musicians who are individually notable. Even so, though, this list would be enormous, because virtually every important Chinese politician and a great many people in public life would be members of this list. What I think is even more important, though, is that their membership in the CCP is in many cases not the criterion on which their notability hangs (whereas many of the Norwegian musicians would not be notable if they were not musicians). In fact (following the advice at WP:LISTCRITERIA to ask "If this person/thing/etc. weren't X, would it reduce their fame or significance?"), it would be more notable for a highly successful Chinese politician to not be a member of the CCP! I also considered whether we should rename and narrow the scope of this page, but we already have a plethora of lists like Politburo Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, List of national leaders of the People's Republic of China, and Orders of precedence in China which are discrete versions of what this list would be if it were built out. Any missing subject areas can be covered with more specific list articles. - Astrophobe (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Lists of people, and China. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but potential rename. The list is infinitely expanding in some categories, but this list could just be the active high-ranking or significant members of the CCP (executive cabinet members, military and paramilitary leaders, etc.). This would be more notable, but also easier to maintain. Conyo14 (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is only one allowed party in China, so there's no choice. — Maile (talk) 22:32, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Redirect to Politburo Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party~~~~, as it seems the article was intended as that type of list.~~ Nate • (chatter) 02:02, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm convinced it would be too broad a rd and there's no real target it can go to. Nate • (chatter) 21:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – too broad. Don't redirect to Politburo Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party as that is a different topic; the redirect would at best create confusion as the Politburo Standing Committee includes only an extremely small fraction of the numerous notable Communist Party members. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Far too broad; about as useful as List of brunettes. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Another massive list with no real use. Right now, there are an estimated 98 million members ~~of (as noted by Maile66) the only legal party~~ in the most-populous country on the planet. What value could such a list possibly have in an encyclopaedia? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I do want to note, in case this affects any !votes, that the Chinese Communist Party is not the only party -- or even the only legal party -- in China. We could for example have a list of Chinese politicians from minor parties with people like Zheng Jianbang and Cai Dafeng. But this list, which is the opposite of that list, is indeed overwhelming in scope. - Astrophobe (talk) 01:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete List is too long and wikipedia is not a database Belichickoverbrady (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the above. A resturcturing as "List of notable CCP members by province" might be workable but I wouldn't really recommend it. A quick search for comparable lists for the Republican Party (United States) finds no overall list but some sublists like List of African-American Republicans and List of Latino Republicans which are very broad, as well as List of American conservatives which actually looks useful in its current state but could use clearer inclusion criteria. Overall, I think that we are inconsistent in our approach to broad lists. However, my preference is to limit them so I support 'delete' in this and similar instances. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.