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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Czech Airlines#Destinations without prejudice against merger. With only one !vote to keep this as a standalone page (as the only option), and no valid objection to the broadly supported ATD, redirect/merge is the obvious result here. Discussion on the target's Talk page may proceed on what content, if any, should be merged. Owen× ☎ 06:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Czech Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Czech Airlines wasn't flying to in February 2024, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Czech Airlines only flew to four destinations in February 2024, all of which are already mentioned on the Czech Airlines page, making this page redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical sourcing for that (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) - Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely sourced to old timetables published by the airline (e.g., this one), or to the company website, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Aviation, Lists, and Czech Republic. FOARP (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Travel and tourism-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business, particularly if they're about to cease conducting business! The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This airline literally only flew to four destinations "As of February 2024". What is the point of listing places it possibly used to fly to at some point, but didn't fly to in Feb 2024, based on original research in primary sources? If the answer is "because of historical importance", then where are the historians covering this topic? PS - see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Air Malta destinations which recently closed as delete, which also covered an airline whose destinations were all "terminated", and where you made substantially the same arguments. FOARP (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - To expand on the WP:OR issue discussed above, take the listing of Tirana as a "Terminated" destination on this page. This is cited to a 1966 pamphlet issued by the airline, but that surely doesn't support a claim that the destination was "terminated" in February 2024? In fact there's no way to reach that conclusion with this data, because even if Tirana isn't included in Czech Airlines' current services, there's a bunch of different reasons why that might be so that don't involve them previously having gone there but now having terminated the service, including errors in the original claim (or the later claim that they don't fly there), Tirana having been a destination they planned to go to but never went to, Tirana being part of a wider network, and the flight still being operated.
In fact, according to the airline website, Czech Airlines do still fly to Tirana.
Now this might seem like a minor, one-off error, but in fact this entire list was largely assembled using the same approach of synthesising primary sources to reach a conclusion that they don't actually support. Moreover this is repeated across the entire corpus of airline-destination articles as a whole. FOARP (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Both a Merge and Redirect have been mentioned during this discussion, do these options have any support?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I'm OK with redirection or merger, with a preference for redirection as the relevant content is already in the main article to the extent that it's WP:DUE. Overall favour deletion above both. FOARP (talk) 08:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination, various WP:not violations ‹hamster717🐉› (discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠) 15:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Merge We should merge these information into the airline's article, as per others said,they don't violate it, in addition, we need to stop trying to have airlines destinations list deleted because Wikipedia is the only place that has these information, it is a big mistake that the other ones got deleted, especially the one for Lufthansa, United Airlines and American Airlines, if we really don't need these to exist as a article, we should have merged the airlines destinations list into the airline article itself, a pity that the ones that got deleted was no longer available.... Metrosfan (talk) 14:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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