Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Historical revisionism (revisionists)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Www.Revisionists.com speedily deleted (G11) by Jmlk17. Redirect at title below deleted by Jpgordon per R1. Non-admin closure. Deor (talk) 12:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Historical revisionism (revisionists)

List of "revisionists" from this website. I have no idea what this article is supposed to be (even the title doesn't make any sense to me).There's a pretty large overlap with Category:Holocaust deniers, but according to the source website's bios, not all people on this website are holocaust deniers or even historians. Currently it borders WP:CSD#A1: Speedy deletion for lack of context. Huon (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Revise to make it look like it never existed, through the process of deletion. Kind of like an indiscriminate list, except no blue-links or red-links Mandsford (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion. I'm the author of the Original Article (OA). The OA was just a little while ago Speedily Deleted by User:Jpgordon. It was suggest by him that it was a "Cut & Paste" - whatever that meens. Based on a discussion with a user named Huan, the word "Copyright" came up. This is mainly a WP:List. And in order to insure it from deletion - I supplied the List alone - that is absolutely not subject tp copyright infringement. However, I used a REDIRECT page to do that. The original page is in Limbo - not being an Administrator, I do not know much about such stuff. However, I think User: Jpgordon is an expert on the matter. If you ask him, I'm sure he can clarify everything. Cheers Wikipedians! --!!!!

Here's what happened (--Ludvikus (talk) 21:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)):[reply]

    (Deletion log); 16:55 . . Jpgordon (Talk | contribs)
         deleted "Talk:List of Historical revisionism (revisionist historians)"
         (G8: Orphaned talk page of non-existent or deleted page) 
    (Deletion log); 16:54 . . Jpgordon (Talk | contribs)
         deleted "List of Historical revisionism (revisionist historians)"
        (Copyvio; cut-and-paste from www.revisionsists.com)

Copyvio. I see now in the above a Good Faith belief that there was a Copyright infringement. I did not/do not agree. But that can no longer be the case because I used the DAB page to re-write the article as a stub - keeping only a WP:List of names. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Restore old page(s). I do not know now how to proceed. I think the best is to do a Merge, But I have no access to the Old page because it was deleted by Jpgordon. Please advise. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete should be WP:CSD per WP:COPYVIO — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. What's this meant to be? A list of any historian who's disagreed with previously published views? CSD A1 or CSD G1. Even the title makes no sense. Jheald (talk) 22:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment but some of the members are extremely WP:Nnotable and belong to an Organization which Publishes its views, bios, and membership list: http://www.revisionists.com/ --Ludvikus (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Ludvikus, maybe you should read WP:CSD#A1 and WP:CSD#G1. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment These people may or may not be individually notable, but they don't belong to a common organization (though many are related to the Institute for Historical Review in one way or another). For example, without some reliable sources, I'd doubt that Jean-Marie Le Pen and Hans Schmidt share any membership. Schmidt isn't even a historian for all we can tell. By now the article has been turned into one about the website, but it still fails the notability criterion WP:WEB and has no secondary sources. Huon (talk) 23:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But this is just a stub clearly Tagged underconstruction. Give us all a chance to develop this extremely important WP:List. --Ludvikus (talk) 23:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Check this out: http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/zundel.html --Ludvikus (talk) 23:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being blunt, but could you please make up your mind whether this is supposed to be a list of people or an article on a website? And do you really think that "People listed on some random website" is a proper topic for an encyclopedia article? Yes, some of the people listed on the website are notable, and we have articles on them: Ernst Zündel, for example. But what makes the list itself "extremely important"? Huon (talk) 00:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1) This is intended to be a list of Notable members of the movement know as Historical Revisionism.
(2) These individuals are not that great in number and they are quite easy to identify.
(3) The 2 articles we have are based on their "Philosphy." Some now wish to distance themselves from Holocaust Denial - and have been quite successful in convincing editors at Wikipedia that there is such a thing as legitimate "Historical Revisionism" (there ain't). But they have apparent been quite successful in their persuation.
(4) What's the purpose of Lists at Wikipedia anyway? If there is one, these individuals fit the bill. And they are not shy or sheepish about their views.
(5) They also call themselves Revisionist Historians. And they have convinced some that they an extention of everyone who has been called a "Revisionist."
- For all these reasons, it would be good for our Encyclopedia to identify the notable ones in order for all of us to know that we are reading the views of a particular school of thought known as Historical Revisionism. Unlike the Nazi party members after 1933, this group is as small as Hitler's collegues were in 1923.

Yours truly, --Ludvikus (talk) 00:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete This is Ludvikus's second attempt, under a new name, to basically cut and paste this website into Wikipedia. It's a completely non-notable website if this is supposed to be an article about the website, and it's redunant if it's supposed to be a list--There is already a list in the Holocaust denial article. Speedy delete, and stop trying different tactics for turning that website into a Wikipedia article, please. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 00:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That can be easily changed. It's merely one website (of many). The point is not the Wen site. It's the list I'm interested in. You are not addressing the issue. And there are no Copyright violations that you can even remotely suggest. --Ludvikus (talk) 00:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yet again--there is already a list here. Try to pay attention to what people say here. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 03:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete in its current version per criterion A7, as article about Web content with no indication of notability. Deor (talk) 01:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ludvikus, the creator of the article, moved it to Www.Revisionists.com and has started to turn it into an article about the website whose list he copied and pasted. Another editor removed the AfD banner, and a third editor tagged it for WP:CSD#G11. I think that makes this discussion moot. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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