Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Lady Gaga concert tours

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The result was redirect to Lady_Gaga#Concert_tours. L Faraone 22:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Lady Gaga concert tours

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Lady Gaga has only headlined two tours to date; this is extremely premature. Nearly all of the information that isn't already covered in other Wikipedia articles comes from unreliable sources such as the Lady Gaga Wikia. –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - her Ladyship certainly is one of the most well known global personalities and anything she does is almost certainly notable! The scope of the list includes more than the alleged two tours. Another one is due to commence shortly. Anyone that says Lady Gaga tours are not 'notable' must be hiding in a darkened room from the popular press :) The Lady Gaga article is absolutely vast and there is probably a strong argument to extract information such as tour names/dates/descriptions and display them in a separate list article. Sionk (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete Agree strongly with every point the nominator has made. This is again another premature and unnecessary creation. Her "Ladyship" is not above governing rules of Wikipedia and this fails notability on a vast scale. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep obviously notable- the article has multiple reliable sources so easily passes WP:GNG. While Gaga has "only" headlined two tours, they are enormous tours, The Monster's Ball tour was the highest grossing debut tour ever, generating over $220M in revenue and playing to 2.5M people. There is a third announced headline tour plus several support tours, all with major acts headlining. I don't see any policy grounds under which this should be deleted. Sparthorse (talk) 07:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- To both of you who commented as keep, lemme ask you what exactly is this article presenting to us? The same oneline summary can be found in Lady Gaga too. Other artists who have the similar articles have more info on their tours, stats etc. Consider List of Madonna concert tours, which is a FL and has ample opportunities. This one is simply premature. And that third tour name is not even confirmed and goes against WP:CRYSTAL. Removing the false infos, there is practically nothing here. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lady Gaga#Concert tours. When there is actually enough substance to forma list, then would be the time for a separate article. -- Whpq (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I notice the deletionist in this debate has cut out 70% of the article, so we are now debating something completely different. Aren't we supposed to conclude this debate before deleting the article? Presumably the info was deleted because it is believed to be untrue and that the Lady Gaga performances were an elaborate hoax? Or is it simply another example of Wikipedia editors deciding to delete something because the sources haven't been added to the article? Sledgehammer to crack a nut, methinks! If the sources aren't provided, or if someone thinks the information is challengable, then the solution would be to request inline citations. Sionk (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- To respond you, no, I personally create and develop most of the articles related to the artist and even I could not see enough credibility of the article and the sources being used. Some of them were downright using ladygaga.wikia.com content. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - People, she's only embarked on two tours... —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 02:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete - Not notable enough and there is no need of an article "detailing" the only two tours she has had. Fortunato luigi (talk) 07:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 08:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Two items are not a list. Lugnuts (talk) 09:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Pointless non-list.--Michig (talk) 09:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article at the time of nomination was clearly modeled on List of Madonna concert tours and included additional verifiable information. Lady Gaga tours are clearly notable, so the delete votes claiming WP:NN are puzzling indeed. Lady Gaga tours and public performances are notable (in that they all receive extensive coverage in reliable sources), so having a list of them seems reasonable enough. Pburka (talk) 16:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lady Gaga, per WHPG above. Not sufficient material to support a free-standing article at this time, check back in ten years. Carrite (talk) 16:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Categorize: I believe each of her tours has an article. So create a category instead of an article for her tours Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 20:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lady Gaga concert tours currently exists. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete You're kidding, right? What use is this? Fails WP:SAL. —Andrew_stalk 02:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTN. I'm not seeing that the topic of "Lady Gaga concert tours" has been covered, as a grouping, in significant detail by independent reliable sources such that a list is warranted at this time. Gongshow ^Talk 08:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Incubate. We will create this article again in x years. Why don't Incubate it?--Neo139 (talk) 22:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Incubation as not needed as there is a perfectly good section in the Lady Gaga article that lists her concert tours where this material can be developed. -- Whpq (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--It contains information already in other articles. It can be forked off later when additional information overwhelms the main article.--LarEvee (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There were only two tours, a tour canceled and another tour confirmed. When do more tours will rebuild the list.--Flores,Alberto (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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