Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NASCAR drivers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of NASCAR drivers

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This list attempts to list NASCAR drivers for all series. It's become bogged down and is overly broad (WP:SALAT), with some sections not being updated for years. Additionally, it cites no sources (WP:LISTPEOPLE), which has been an issue for over a year per the warning template. Additionally, this info already exists and is generally kept updated on each NASCAR season's page. glman (talk) 15:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Motorsport, and United States of America. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided. It's unencyclopedic to have a dynamic list only for the latest season. The list should then be split according to season so that the content would not be of a transient nature. However, we already have articles about seasons, which would make this restructuring pointless. Therefore, I lean delete.—Alalch E. 16:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is fair. If the list were a list of all NASCAR drivers, by series, by year, it would be theoretically better. That would basically be an entirely new page/pages though, and would likely also be massive, unless divided by season. glman (talk) 17:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided. While a current list of NASCAR drivers is helpful as a research result, that information can be found in the current seasons Wikipedia page. I believe it would be more helpful to restructure the page into a list of all NASCAR drivers ever, as opposed to this current season only. The lack of sources and lack of updates in multiple sections is another issue with this article. Quantum7021 (talk) 03:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because it's likely useful for readers as a common research ask. Incompleteness is a legitimate issue, but organic development of the list is naturally likely to favor inclusion of noteworthy members while tending to neglect the less noteworthy. Sandizer (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue is that the list is of the current season, past drivers are removed (theoretically) once the season is over. If the list were of all drivers, I think your argument is valid. glman (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have no opinion on the deletion of this list but it was created in February 2001 in Wikipedia's very early days by Jimbo Wales and some might find the discussion about it on his talk page interesting. Graham87 04:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for sharing. Deep history there. glman (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig-ify I agree that the current state isn't worthy of keeping, so I propose making the page into a disambiguation page for lists of drivers by season/country/whatever consensus decides is most useful. Frzzl talk; contribs 10:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would support this change and be willing to help create new pages. EDIT: or would it fit better as a list of all notable NASCAR drivers of all time, as per User:Quantum7021's suggestion? The current listed then could be other lists. For example, "List of current NASCAR Cup Series drivers". glman (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support this change as well, with the inclusion that the list is changed to be a full list of all drivers to have competed in the sport, up to and including the current season. All seasons, beginning in 1949, have a section with information relevant to that season, such as the number the driver was in at that time, number of wins, top 5s, tops 10s, etc. Quantum7021 (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I worry this would end up too long as well, as we already have a all-time wins list, and many drivers had multiple numbers. Having 75 sections seems far too long and broad for a list. glman (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I do not believe this should be deleted. An organizational scheme similar to the one present at Lists of National Basketball Association players would probably be better for aiding navigational purposes in this area (Note: List of NBA players redirects there and List of current NBA team rosters is a subtopic).
How we get there isn't particularly important, whether it's by moving this page and restructuring, or redirecting it once an appropriate target is in place, or through a more complex set of actions. Regardless, the title is not inherently unsuitable even as a redirect, so deletion isn't the right action here. I would hope that even if others feel otherwise, and do not believe the page title should exist in mainspace, they would at least consider userfying this or pushing it to some projectspace subpage given the history here. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 03:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and (potentially) Split: I don't believe it's overly broad, and the list, while perhaps a bit long, can be split for easier maintainability. Secondly, while each NASCAR series season's page has a list of drivers, the way they present the two are very different with this article focusing on the statistics of the driver over simply listing the actual teams. The fact that it's unsourced as of right now is also not a reason to delete as membership can easily be shown by anyone with a search engine. Articles are kept on the existence of sources, mind you. Similarly, the fact that some sections are rarely updated is likewise not a reason for deletion. All these problems are fully surmountable, leading me to vote to keep. Why? I Ask (talk) 10:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 10:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:17, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.