Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional vehicles (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional vehicles

I feel this list will never be complete as a number of those do not have its own article - many of these I have deleted.

Even cleaning up this list, which I have attempted to do so, I take it is too much of an effort to clean up this list, hence nomination. The other reason is the issue with WP:VERIFY. Donnie Park (talk) 22:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: might I suggest making this into a list only of fictional vehicles which are notable enough and have enough to say about them that they already have articles about them on Wikipedia? -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reply, that was what I attempted to do, as well as keeping those only with its own article, but I getting to a point where it was too much of an effort to clean up. Feel welcome to have a go, if that is done, I will decide if it is worth withdrawing my nomination. Donnie Park (talk) 23:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

there was no need to limit it that way; such is not done for other lists of X in fiction. The vehicle just has to have a major role in the story. DGG (talk) 02:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete And I like odd lists -- but this one has no cohesiveness at all. Collect (talk) 23:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Refinements should be discussed on article talk page. But this is certainly a notable topic. How it should be best handled is an appropriate discussion that's not well addressed in an AfD. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm all in favor of a list of fictional automobiles, list of fictional boats, list of fictional spacecraft, list of fictional trains, etc. but not all on the same page, and not without some context. The section "list of armed vechicles" is the straw that injured the fictional camel that used to be a vehicle until its back was broken. Mandsford (talk) 00:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply This was how it looked before I came in and quit part way through when I decided on a AfD. If this was decided on a keep basis, then only entrants with its own articles are allowed to stay, why, because of the WP:WTAF guideline, anything without it will simply clutter it up. Donnie Park (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 01:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major plot components of notable fiction are appropriate for a list. The rule is not vehicles with their own articles for the vehicle, but that the book or film involved must have their own article--this has been the practice with all of these. Each entry needs to be sourced, and trivial ones removed, as always, but thats an editing question. I'm not sure why thislist is worse than the others--and if it is, then it needs to be fixed, not deleted. DGG (talk) 02:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What can you say about videogames, that list was cluttered with entried from editors favourite games, which most of these have no articles, are you trying to say that every game vehicles should be listed, plus how can you tell if the are trivial especially the hundred of those in the Grand Theft Auto series. Donnie Park (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion - This seems like such a brooooaaaaadddd list. I wonder if this wouldn't be better off as a Category into which all the tons of List of vehicles/spaceships/submarines in X franchise/text/work (along with articles on specific, notable vehicles) get tossed. A list for such a broad topic just seems like a nightmare to maintain. Or, alternatively, replace some of the individual entires (like the AT-xs) with {{seealso}}s to e.g. List of Star Wars aquatic, air, and ground vehicles. --EEMIV (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —--EEMIV (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an indiscriminate list of fictional cars? Please. No. This is supposed to be pretending to be an encyclopedia, not a trivia compendium.Bali ultimate (talk) 18:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No way can this ever be complete, or free from bias - even if some sort of notability criteria were applied. And why isn't the 6000SUX from the Robocop movies even on this list? Eddie.willers (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I thought it was at some point. ----DanTD (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This list is perfect valid and no reason to delete it. If you were curious about the most widely known vehicles ever used in fiction, then this would be the place to find it. Quite useful and interesting to some. There should be a separate page or fold down list for the Gran Theft Auto series, and a all the Star Wars vehicles moved to their own page of course. Please don't go through and delete something you personally haven't heard of, without checking first. Wouldn't the vehicle used by Batgirl, and the one used by the Green Arrow, both major comic book characters, be notable? I'm adding those two back in. Dream Focus 01:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Of course there is a reason why I nominated this list for deletion, as one hightlighted by a nominee which I forgot to state earlier is this list is more useful as a category and too indiscriminate for a list. There will always be a reason why there has to be a fictional car, such as those in GTA, Burnout and Ridge Racer - one of these would be copyright. If we are going to include all these cars, then it will do nothing but clutter the list, hence my rationale. According to a friend, there used to be a list for GTA vehicles which he assumed got deleted some times ago. Donnie Park (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The list's subject is way too broad. It's way too broad even for a category. It needs to be broken down into vehicles by type, especially the "armed vehicles" section which includes everything from helicopters to AT-ATs. --BlueSquadronRaven 19:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and migrate references from the main articles. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep until such time it can be migrated to a category. Then redirect to the category. Artw (talk) 22:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (provisionally): The list seems to be appropriate; however, there must be thousands upon thousands of fictional vehicles out there (we don't need the unicycle that badguy 3 used on level 3, section 4, subsection alpha in HALO 2). The list should be restricted to notable vehicles. Specifically, ones that already have an article --It's me...Sallicio!^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 01:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not informative to the reader. Hipocrite (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Completeness is not a reason to delete as many lists are inherently incomplete. Our editing policy does not require perfection. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep referencing will keep the list manageable. Manifestly notable topic. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nearly completely indiscriminate, unmaintainable, not useful for navigation. I can't see any conceivable purpose this serves for the reader. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 02:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This seems to be moving towards a cowardly "no consensus", but there is no rational reason for maintaining a list of this sort. At what point is a car fictional? Is Herbie a fictional car, even though it's a stock VW Beetle? What about <insert name of Transformer here>, which was a bit more than a vehicle? Does Columbo's car count, since it was, in fact, a vehicle in fiction? A sprawling, completely unmaintainable list that serves no encyclopedic purpose. This is what categories are for. Badger Drink (talk) 11:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Herbie is so going in there; see also: List of fictional vehicles#Starlight Express. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is completely an indiscriminate list that could be absolutely huge (do we include every car that was in any movie)? I think this would make a much better category, but as a list it is useless. Karanacs (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Interesting topic. It could use some work, though. I like Sallicio's idea for restricting its content to fictional vehicles related to some notable entry in the encyclopedia.Synchronism (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.