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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Verification is not a policy we can just ignore. I don't see a conspiracy against anyone, just even handed, policy based arguments to delete this improperly sourced article. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest grossing Indian films

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This article fails the WP:V policy and will be unlikely to resolve the issue in the future or through discussion on the article talk page as consistent reliable sources do not exist for the Indian film market. The lead text of the article (version at time of nomination) makes it clear that no box-office figures are officially published and the sources of the figures are therefore speculative estimates.

Taking the top example of the highest grossing film of all time is Enthiran listed as Rs. 375 crore, however this figure is an estimate by the COO of the production company (Sun Pictures) and the source is a video of a promotional interview with him giving an estimate rather than based on a published verifiable sales figure in a reliable source. Other sources for box-office sales for Enthiran have been discussed at length on Talk:Enthiran with no source yet proposed that can be verified for any specific figures though many rounded up estimates from pundits and promotional sources are available.

Raising for wider discussion in the context of this (link) India film list being deleted under a similar rationale. Fæ (talk) 14:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with the Fae on this matter for the reasons are being quoted. I mentioned in the several pages regarding this. Why this issue is being coming only when Endhiran is being considered in the top of the list.

Everyone was happy to list 3 idiots at the top of the list without any debate or for any film listed below.Chief operating officer will not promote the film after hundred days of its running.Probably he clarified everyone who has raised doubts in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sivanesanvet (talk • contribs) 03:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This issue was raised (thankfully) after enthiran, because it has exposed how unverifiable the indian box office numbers are. "will not promote film after hundred days of its running". Sun Pictures promotes its movies at least till they are shown in their network. "Probably he clarified everyone who has raised doubts in it". Probably? and we have to take his word at that. That shows everything that is wrong with Indian box office numbers, we excuse COI reporting saying it is "probably" ok. Unfortunately it might be ok for Indian media's standards, but not for Wikipedia's--Sodabottle (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and because of fundamental unveriability of such lists. And per the arguments made in the other Afds for Tamil and Telugu film lists.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah right. Fae likes bollywood so much that he nominated the list of highest grossing bollywood films for deletion as well.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hai Sodabottle; I dont know where were the people are until today talking about standards of references for Indian cinema. I think suddenly "so called alertness" grips every one. It is not like that. No one is ready to accept the truth. Anyone can delete this article. But the history wont support you. If some one is good enough judge on the box office, even a childish cine artist will tell the success of Endhiran. I strongly oppose to delete this article. Instead of deleting this article, you may quote in the introduction, that this is the rough estimate and there are no official figures for indian box office.Similar introduction is given for List of highest grossing bollywood or hindi films in wikipedia. The introduction says "Box office figures in India are not published, as there is no official source. The following is a non-inflation-adjusted list of the highest-grossing Bollywood films in India according to BoxOffice India.com and IBOS Network. Figures are given in Indian rupees. For an inflation-adjusted list, see List of highest-grossing Bollywood films, adjusted for inflation" The rules should be unbiased, if you are deleting the articles delete all these lists (hindi/telugu/tamil). I dont think sincerely that this will help the leaders point of view. It is very blatant and sounds to every one that films listed in tamil, hindi or telugu are super hits. Present generation will know these. But time to come, it is very difficult to retrieve these information and refrences. It is up to you to think and decide.My best possible suggestion is providing a valuable introduction. I dont think for shake of publicity a film producer will give a statement for mega hit movie of tamil film industry (which already ran for 100 days And Indian institute of management-Ahmedabad has taken the success of endhiran in its project). It is worst situation only in bollywood, an actor will cut hairs, strip cloths in the public place and come in front of media thousand time before release etc., etc., I expect your view point on the same before any further action. And I expect from wikipedia that it should be genuine and even can retain the Article of List of highest grossing tamil films.

Weak, non-sequitur argument given by 69.175.32.147. Have a good understanding of this article before contributing on Wikipedia please. No one here is "against" anything (including Tamil cinema) to have it deleted and removed, otherwise we wouldn't be on Wikipedia for long. These deletion proposals and "so called alertness" of reference verifiability and encyclopedic/academic accuracy is in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please inform yourself of these before contributing. Thanks. EelamStyleZ (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If so the policy was established on February 2011? I dont think so..I myself not against any film industry nor supporting some thing. Retain all the informations including grossing history of Tamil, Telugu and hindi and all over India, so far created with the introductory weightage. Have many wasted their valuable time to create these informations and contributions? You can very well delete these informations but you hurt millions of contributions which you will loose in future course. Nothing sentiment. Its a forum and everyone has to say what they feel.. Simply destroying house after Constructing dont help. instead repair it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sivanesanvet (talk • contribs) 13:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, no, Wikipedia isn't a forum. Secondly, this isn't a village pump. We're not here to "feel" about the valuable time and effort whatsoever that some people may have put into contributing Wikipedia articles, and we appreciate that. But before arguing here, please understand what the purpose of this deletion nomination is. If you can find a source that has original/verifiable accounts of Tamil/Telugu/Indian film budgets and gross data, then please use that to justify your refusal to having this article deleted. The problem is about availability and verifiability of genuine sources for keeping a list of highest grossing Indian films, not how much one likes/dislikes Indian films or contributions to Indian film articles. EelamStyleZ (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion could have been raised before , when enthiran hit the top , people cashed in to delete and hide the reality , whether you accept it or not this is the truth , people here are biased. I see the same set of guys who Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of highest-grossing Tamil-language films did delete List of highest-grossing Tamil-language films here too...

don't delete till other admins look into this Rt sachin (talk) 21:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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