Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of islands of Syria

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) wumbolo ^^^ 15:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of islands of Syria

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Entirely pointless list with only two entries, a figure that is unlikey to increase. TheLongTone (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mr TheLongTone ! why that's article will be delete ? because Syria have only few islands, so it's can not make a list, right ? I real do not know but you can tell me: how many islands can be make a [list] ? Đông Minh (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will continue improving the article...Đông Minh (talk) 15:52, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mr TheLongTone, you can see it again ! Đông Minh (talk) 16:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No policy based rationale for deletion given in the nomination. I disagree that a list of islands of a country is "pointless". I am not aware that a list simply being short is a valid ground for deletion. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:15, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~. Two tiny islands, for which only one has an article, don't justify a list. Does the other one actually exist, and if it does, is it big enough to be included? --Michig (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

and you Michig, I know you an administrator, and I know you from largest nation in the world: British empire with 1/4 world's surface, so you will never care any small island of any country in the word, Rockall like example, right ? . A small island, oh no, super small island not important, you don't want EEZ, oil, right?.... You know ? Chinese and Vietnamese they was killed each other because a small rock between sea. Don't tell me small island not meaning. Excuse me ! Đông Minh (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll excuse you when you can behave in a less offensive manner. --Michig (talk) 17:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

so sorry because I'm not yet competently tend to be much more strict of En.Wiki Đông Minh (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islands-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This should never have been nominated, per WP:ATD and WP:BEFORE. The deletion rationales above seem entirely based on the current content of the list, not its potential, and it has been significantly expanded since being nominated.[1] And even if it were judged after actual research to not have potential as a viable standalone list, at most this title would be redirected/merged to Geography of Syria, not deleted. postdlf (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Islands still qualify for WP:GEOLAND even with only a few of them in a list. Ajf773 (talk) 19:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if this is a complete list or has the potential to be a complete list. (If we were dealing with Indonesia or the Philippines, I doubt the list could ever be complete, but for Syria the list may be completable.) Otherwise, merge to Geography of Syria. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Geography of Syria. At the time of nomination it wasn't worth keeping, and the expansion would in my view have been better directed towards a section in the Geography of Syria article. But now we have the content here, it will need to be merged if it's going to be incorporated there. --Michig (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with the proviso that a better source should be found than simply google maps. I'll add one for Arwad FOARP (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:29, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Valid albeit short WP:NLIST article. SportingFlyer talk 10:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEOLAND, which says that named geographical features for which a standalone article cannot be developed should "instead be included in a more general article". These islands are plainy named geographical features and a list is a perfectly suitable general article for them. SpinningSpark 11:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I tried working on the article earlier, but had problems in even verifying some of the islands listed on the page. Searches for some of them are providing very few results, at least where I'm at in the world. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right, verification is difficult for such small, uninhabited features. I spent some time on Al Abbas and finally came up with "Late Quaternary marine terraces in the Mediterranean coastal area of Syria" which from a snippet tells me "Composition and microstructure of sediments composing the lower terrace in the coastal area of Western Syria: (a) ...; (d) detrital limestone from El Abbas Island; ...". I'll look for some of the others later. SpinningSpark 13:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I doubt there will be much written about any of them bar the single one that is inhabited, Arwad. They others are basically just tiny islets south of Arwad. You can pick them out on aerial photos if you really zoom in but it strikes me that if these were in a location that had more sizeable islands, most would probably be too small to merit inclusion in a list, which is the crux of the issue here as I see it. --Michig (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - There is no basis in GEOLAND or any other guideline for exclusion based on size. Your current position is to merge into Geography of Syria. I fail to see how these islands would merit inclusion in that article, but not in this list. "Geography of Syria" is three levels higher in the categorization heirarchy than "Islands of Syria" so they would merit inclusion there even less if anything. SpinningSpark 14:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - For one small inhabited island with four tiny islets nearby, a standalone list seems excessive to me. --Michig (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - They now all have a citation that at least confirms existence. By the way, they are not all to the South of Arwad. Jazirat Basirah is about five miles to the North. SpinningSpark 17:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...a small island make reason for EEZ, and maybe war (or discuss), like Isla Aves, if it is reason war between nations, don't make that reason discuss (or war) between wikipedians. so sorry if I make you lost the time, you all, Mr.Spinningspark and mr.Michig. Because time is gold, delete the list, don't lost much time for small thing. You know ? I love island and sometime I wish I have an island I will go to that, leave the world and leave myself, like Robinson Crusoe but I will never back (my english not good, sorry) Đông Minh (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, wumbolo ^^^ 16:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. While I'm personally not in favour of keeping this as a standalone list, it seems to me that there is sufficient consensus to keep, and the relist is unnecessary. --Michig (talk) 16:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Six editors don't advocate for a straight keep. wumbolo ^^^ 17:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't think this list is complete yet - there is more than one island in Lake Assad, for example (Jazirat al-Thawra, mentioned in the Lake Assad article, and Qal'at Ja'bar), and there are other lakes and rivers in Syria which probably also have islands in them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This seems like a perfectly valid topic, I think the rationale for deletion is in poor flavour. I think the article should be Islands of Syria with a synopsis for each Island if possible. Govvy (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY relative to my comment above and WP:5, #1, Wikipedia functions as a gazetteer. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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