Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live Design

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 10:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Live Design

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I am pretty sure this doesn't meet WP:GNG and am sceptical whether this meets Wikipedia:Notability (media)#Newspapers, magazines and journals. While the history of the magazine has been written about, it only appears to have been written about in the magazine.

The sections on the trade show and master classes aren't really about the magazine, and the sources about them aren't in depth, reliable, independent coverage. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep may be with some maintenance tags. Mr-5 / ^{M ✉ / C🖋} 15:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A WP:SPA article which was accepted through WP:AFC and whose subsequent maintenance tags have been in place for almost 5 years without the issues being resolved. Much of the content is poorly-referenced brochureware for associated events. My searches are finding routine announcement coverage from the merger of previous name publications to recent events, but I am not seeing the coverage about Live Design itself necessary to demonstrate notability here. AllyD (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Live Design meets point 5 (are significant publications in ethnic and other non-trivial niche markets) of Wikipedia:Notability (media)#Newspapers, magazines and journals. Live performance design is a niche field and the magazine is certainly significant within it. In addition to sponsored content, they provide industry news and interviews with leading designers. For example, Ming Cho Lee meets wikipedia's notability criteria and Live Design covered him far more than general interest news source. Poor sourcing likely has a lot do with the small size of the design field. I'd recommend tagging with Expert-subject or bringing it to attention of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stagecraft. Bruce (talk) 22:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday I did some research and found a college level textbook and a professional guide to the field that both cited Live Design as an important resource for professional stage managers, designers, and technicians. I also found several university libraries which listed the magazine as a key journal for students. Which I think supports my point about it beings a significant publication in a non-trivial niche market.

That said, I do have a bias. In addition to being a trade publication, Live Design publishes articles that are useful for the history of lighting design, obituraries about significant designers, and articles focusing on the technical design elements of high profile shows (Broadway, West End, and international tours). I'm working on adding a section on the field's history to the article on lighting design and the magazine is proving to be a useful source. (I don't have a WP:COI; though lighting is a small field, I don't personally know anyone who works at Live Design nor do I have any business interest in the company). Bruce (talk) 06:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.