Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mamunul Haque

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mamunul Haque

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Fails WP:POLITICIAN
- Not a member of legislative body.
- No in depth and independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists found. (3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 14,15,16,17 sources are not reliable. 18 & 19 are e-commerce site. Others are routine coverage.)
Fails Wikipedia:Notability (academics)
Fails WP:AUTHOR ~Yahya (✉) • 11:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ~Yahya (✉) • 11:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per ~~WP:GNG~~ WP:BIO. I'm not disappointed with the amount of content found by googling his native name মামুনুল হক. Article might need improving, but article quality is no reason to delete. Maybe see WP:NEXIST. Best, Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 04:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Walwal20: Can you read Bangla?

All are "trivial mention" —>N"Significant coverage"
Most of the sources are unreliable.—>N"Reliable"
Most of the sources are fan site of his political party. —>N"Independent of the subject."~Yahya (✉) • 17:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yahya, I used google translate. He seems notable for his speeches, even if it's just within a specific group of people (not that small, considering his youtube channel statistics). Maybe I should say notability per WP:BIO rather than WP:GNG. Best, Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 07:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ~Moheen ^{(keep talking)} 10:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amkgp 💬 14:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:POLOUTCOMES says political figures not elected to public office are sometimes considered notable if they are the leaders of registered national parties. Khelafat Majlish is such a party. It is led by an ameer and a general secretary. So he is potentially notable for being joint general secretary, despite the party's lack of electoral success - if this is one of those "sometimes". --Worldbruce (talk) 05:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (after removing content that is not reliably sourced) to political party Khelafat Majlish (to the extent that the merged content is not WP:UNDUE). My assessment is that 6 of the 19 cited sources are of dubious reliability (dailysomoyersomikoron.com, probashirdiganta.com, Rtmnews24.com, Insiderion.com, Fact Sider, and Famous Born). That could be fixed by editing. One cited source is a wing of the party he leads, and two are press releases from the party [Bangla Tribune (1 of 2) and The Daily Sangram], so not independent. That leaves six independent, reliable sources that are not "fan sites" of his party: the Daily Inqilab, Daily Naya Diganta (2), Somoyer Konthosor, Bangla Tribune (2 of 2), and Kaler Kantho. Their depth of content about him is shallow, however. It is not WP:SIGCOV, it does not address his life directly and in detail. Searches of the usual types found nothing better. So he is not notable and does not merit a stand alone article. Merge, however, is a reasonable alternative to deletion. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NACADEMIC.

6.The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
He is the principle of Mahadut Tarbiatul Islamia, a higher Islamic education, research and training institution in Bangladesh. Owais Al Qarni (talk) 08:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mahadut Tarbiatul Islamia, which he founded, falls far far short of being a major academic institution. --Worldbruce (talk) 12:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is one of major academic institution in Bangladesh.Owais Al Qarni (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Worldbruce, Yahya, and Walwal20: Mamunul Haque has been elected Secretary General of Bangladesh Khilafah Majlis.see Owais Al Qarni (talk) 17:52, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think, Worldbruce's comment should be applied in that case too.~Yahya (✉) • 05:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Secretary General of Bangladesh Khelafat Majlish has resigned. A meeting will be held on September 10. Mamunul Haque will be elected Secretary General. Because he is Joint Secretary General. Owais Al Qarni (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: Owais Al Qarni is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.~Yahya (✉) • 19:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Owais Al Qarni is requesting me to withdraw this nomination on articles talk page.~Yahya (✉) • 05:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because: Now, he is the Secretary General of Khelafat Majlish. Owais Al Qarni (talk) 07:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Yahya: I don't see anything inappropriate from Owais Al Qarni. Article creators are allowed to join AfDs and it's only natural they would try to defend the articles they created. There is nothing wrong with the talk page message either, the message reads, "He has been elected as the General Secretary of Bangladesh Khelafat Majlis, you can withdraw the nomination" with few sources added beside. You can leave a note when you suspect sock/meatpuppetry or any inappropriate WP:Canvassing. --Zayeem ^(talk) 18:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kmzayeem: Thanks for the feedback. (1) it's only natural they would try to defend the articles they created and that's why their comments create less value (own thought)+ I saw this kind of notes in previous afd. (2) I left this note because, I think all discussion should be kept in one place. And your vote for this afd? :D~Yahya (✉) • 20:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I re-edited the article and added reliable references. Owais Al Qarni (talk) 17:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I want to keep them (this & other like this) but i see no proper significant coverage that are independent of the subject (I also search by myself). All of sources are passing menting, no in-depth coverage. Subject doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN, WP:NACADEMIC. So per @Worldbruce, I will say merge for now. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He was the joint secretary general, so there was less coverage in the media. He is currently the Secretary General, now more coverage will come. So I see no reason to delete this article. His speech means the speech of the whole party. Owais Al Qarni (talk) 07:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That doesn't matter whether he is secretary or not. Wikipedia doesn't allow notability on their post or positions. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me or Talk) 12:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia has different categories of notability. In my opinion it doesn't fails GNG. There's several identity of the person. Some can be found from his fans in the top of google search, like this video. He seems to have popularity among his fans. It won't be any problem if it's kept. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me or Talk) 12:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Owais Al Qarni, Walwal20. He seems to be notable in his home country of Bangladesh and has an influence there, through his printed books and lectures.--TheEagle107 (talk) 14:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Walwal20 messages have been posted to user in there talk pages including this who voted here hence the tag.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Citations over kill. The article creator left a message on my talk page a few days back, and I was busy in working on the Muhammad Adil Khan article, so I'm here late. I'm not able to assess the sources in article as they're mostly Bengali and I don't understand Bengali but I guess the subject is notable in Bangladesh, as the statement in lede says, he was arrested for so and so, and has so and so positions, which I guess are fine for a Muslim scholar or cleric to be notable, and that too an indication, "presumed to be notable", and that would be a SNG little pass as ShohagS suggested above. This article requires a lot of cleanup but AfD is not cleanup. If multiple sources having little little coverage are combined they may be regarded as a whole as significant coverage. Thank you ─ The Aafī (^talk) 21:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I hope my username is not tagged as canvassed. I've rightly said that in my comment that I only came to this AfD because I received a message on my talk page from the creator of the article. Best. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 21:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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