Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manuel Turizo Zapata

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per a comment in the discussion, the article may need to be renamed. Discussion about this can occur on the article talk page, or the task can perhaps be boldly performed. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Turizo Zapata

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WP:BLP of a musician, with no discernible claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no reliable source coverage. The most substantive claim of notability here is a vague and unquantified assertion of "widespread popularity", and the only reference is a user-generated public relations platform on which artists can add themselves. This is neither a substantive claim of notability, nor a sufficient depth of sourcing, for the purposes of satisfying NMUSIC. Bearcat (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: it might be a touch WP:TOOSOON but there's certainly reliable sources from Colombia about him - in Colombia's two major national newspapers El Tiempo [1] and El País [2], plus the main newspaper of the Carribbean coast where he comes from El Universal [3], the country's main music magazine Shock [4], plus interviews on major radio stations Bluradio [5] and La Mega [6]... there's also trivial mentions from the websites of the country's two state TV channels RCN (singing at the wedding of Alvaro Morata) [7] and Caracol [8], although I'll admit that the last two are trivial mentions light on detail, typical of the output of those TV stations. Richard3120 (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: he's also charted on the Billboard Latin Digital Songs chart [9], although I'm not sure if that's an acceptable chart. Richard3120 (talk) 02:06, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs more work, but that isn't reason to delete it. This is a valid article about an actual person who recently surged into popularity and needs sources. The task should be sourcing more things rather than deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.126.231 (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and it's the article creator's job to do the more work required. Anybody can always simply claim that more sourcing exists for any topic regardless of whether it actually does or not — so we don't keep an article just because somebody says it needs more sources, we keep it when somebody shows hard, quantifiable evidence that more sources are out there. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article creators may be novices, but we can all support with additional research and contributions. I know User:Richard3120 did tremendous work showing all these references from majour outlets. What I have done was to incorporate some of his suggestions within the article to show the clear notability of this delightfully gifted Colombian artist werldwayd (talk) 00:55, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 02:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Richard3120's sources look good to me. Antrocent (♫♬) 03:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep and rename: Actually the single "Una Lady Como Tú" reached number 7 on the very important and majour Spanish Singles Chart known as PROMUSICAE. Here is the link for that very high position http://spanishcharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Manuel+Turizo&titel=Una+lady+como+t%FA&cat=s Another very notable fact that can be put forth is that the song has attracted as of today 308.5 million views and garnered 44 thousand comments. Hardly a non-notable artist! See the main video upload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYtJAuoZxcc But the article needs renaming as the artist uses Manuel Turizo and not Manuel Turizo Zapata as we have it, although the latter may be his birth name. The confusion comes because he uses also the acronym MTZ Z denoting Zapata. Manuel Turizo was featured on Valentino's single "Bésame". That music video has gained to date 50.2 million views and attracted around 4,900 comments, again a highly notable figure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whdnNvybrF4 . werldwayd (talk) 00:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a discography and inserted the peak in Spain. On this occasion, I invite those more knowledgeable with Latin charts to add more peaks in Latin America. I am sadly not in a position to add charts from say Colombia or Venezuela etc. werldwayd (talk) 01:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not easy to add Colombian or Venezuelan charts – both countries' charts are compiled by the Colombian company National-Report, but they only display the current week, and there are no archives, so it's impossible for anyone to check past charts and find the chart peak of a specific record (I've tried writing to National-Report about adding a searchable archive, but they won't answer). Richard3120 (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand lack of fully archived charts in many countries, but I think Manuel Turizo is notable enough even without the chart figures in the Latin world of music to have a Spanish Wikipedia article as well. werldwayd (talk) 04:38, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.