Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mareke giri

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The result was keep. I think those advocating Keep have provided sources that address the concerns of the nomination. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mareke giri

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Fails WP:N, couldn't find anything about this topic online, most results are related to the Wikipedia page. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. TheManInTheBlackHat (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 23:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unsourced since creation in 2011, not enough context to tell if this qualifies for A7. Prodded in 2011 by Skamecrazy123 (talk · contribs) due to such concerns, but deprodded in 2011 by Fayenatic london (talk · contribs), who claimed that there are "1.5 million google hits" without further elaboration or improvement. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 23:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 23:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't find any sources on this, Iranian web sources are few and far between. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Native speaker of Persian here. This is definitely and undoubtedly notable. I'll provide ample sources soon. 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For example, these[1][2][3] are some academic articles. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@4nn1l2 Great. Can you use them to verify the article, and make it referenced? (Ping me if this is done). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as failing notability in all major respects. MurrayGreshler (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So what do you make of the sources provide above by 4nn1l2? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil Bridger -- Sorry for the delay in replying, Phil. One of the three sources is paywalled. Of the other two, I would say, based on Google's Farsi to English translations, that they fail RS, IMHO. MurrayGreshler (talk) 15:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

they fail RS! If you don't know Persian, how can you assess their reliability? These are peer-reviewed academic articles published in academic journals, not a bunch of self-published web pages. You, as a Wikipedian, don't need to asses their reliability. Experts have already done that. 4nn1l2 (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to allow editors to weigh in following sourcing that was identified which may cause a change in !votes
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@4nn1l2 - thanks for helping us with Persian sources. I think it would help the rest of us if you can give us the words in Persian for the topic and/or the page on fa.wiki (or other relevant wikis). With regard to your refs, I believe your assertion that these cover the topic, however I can only really !vote if I can see the terms in use. Much appreciated, thanks again. JMWt (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The fawiki article is fa:معرکه‌گیری which unfortunately is not written that good. Although it has some pictures which may help you understand the topic of discussion. 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:21, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I can't access a translation of the academic sources above, however I have been able to now find multiple news articles on the topic, including 1 and 2. I'm therefore comfortable that there are many in-depth sources on the topic that satisfy the GNG. JMWt (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there are even books (monographs) about it.[4] This kind of show is very old (1870 picture) and has been very popular in Iran in the old days, but nowadays it's almost disappearing. Furthermore, the term is being used figuratively for many many things in Persian, so it's hard to find good results by search engines which are biased towards recentism. 4nn1l2 (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I attempted to clean up and added many citations and two images. This is a traditional type of street performance and it has many detailed citations available in Persian; therefore this passes GNG. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 00:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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