Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Margaret Tyndal Winthrop
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. Icestorm815 • Talk 19:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Margaret Tyndal Winthrop (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Grandmother of John Kerry and granddaughter of Robert Charles Winthrop. No claim to notability. --Michael WhiteT·C 15:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Subject is not notable. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).TalkHelp and assistance 15:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Having a relationship to a notable individual does not, in itself, meet notability requirements. Individuals need to be notable in their own right. -Fritzpoll (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article was created because of the extent of the interest in John Kerry's ancestry, particularly his relationships through Margaret Tyndal Winthrop. She became notable because of the attention paid to her in this connection. The consensus of editors during intensive edit wars at John Kerry during the 2004 campaign was that the information about her should be available on Wikipedia but that it was too much collateral detail for the Kerry article. JamesMLane t c 22:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relationships do not confer notability, per Wikipedia:Bio#Invalid_criteria and WP:NOTINHERITED, meaning that this subject needs to establish notability alone. The guidelines suggest incorporating such material into the notable subject's article. I understand that this split is the result of an editor consensus at John Kerry, but perhaps it is time to re-open the discussion, especially now that the page is not as contentious? - Fritzpoll (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It could be put in the article about his mother, Rosemary Forbes Kerry. --Michael WhiteT·C 23:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relationships do not confer notability, per Wikipedia:Bio#Invalid_criteria and WP:NOTINHERITED, meaning that this subject needs to establish notability alone. The guidelines suggest incorporating such material into the notable subject's article. I understand that this split is the result of an editor consensus at John Kerry, but perhaps it is time to re-open the discussion, especially now that the page is not as contentious? - Fritzpoll (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Presidents are not royalty; neither are presidential candidates. Being in a family line does not, as responders above note, automatically confer notability. While a mention of her in the article of Kerry's mother (presuming that article needs to remain) is not inappropriate, I don't believe this information needs to be merged. Genealogy is not in itself the function of an encyclopedia, as I understand 'em. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.