Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marina Torlonia di Civitella-Cesi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is consensus here, albeit weak, that GNG is met. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marina Torlonia di Civitella-Cesi

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Notability is not inherited. Rathfelder (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Rathfelder (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - if the sources can be verified, her wedding, socialite activities, and death were in the New York Times, which would go far in proving her notability. Can anyone with access to their archives help? Bearian (talk) 21:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But they are all about other people fundamentally, not about her. Rathfelder (talk) 00:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the sources, there are at least three (or more) in the New York Times that were specifically about the subject of the article. She used many different names, including three different last names and a few variations of her first name. Jooojay (talk) 05:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to add, on newspapers.com (which is subscription-based) when searching one of her many name variations, there was more than 140+ results of newspaper articles. Jooojay (talk) 21:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete here coverage was because she was related to notable people, it in no way shows she herself was notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – many of the New York Times articles are about her specifically (like her obituary, multiple marriages and other life events) and passes GNG. Some confusion might be her slight name variations - Donna vs. Donna Marina vs. Marina. Her obituary was on page 3 of the New York Times. Jooojay (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Definitely meets WP:GNG, Thanks to Jooojay for adding new references. There is now no justification whatsoever for this article to be deleted. VocalIndia (talk) 20:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, notable socialites have done more in society and made a larger impact than this, for instance contributed in charity etc. Geschichte (talk) 06:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notability of an individual is determined by being subject of coverage in reliable sources rather than what they had done in their lifetimes and this person definitely pass WP:GNG on the sources provided in the articles alone. StellarHalo (talk) 13:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has to be significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 10:02, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here is some of significant coverage in news: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5] and you can find more in the WP article. Jooojay (talk) 03:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "PRINCESS TORLONIA DEAD HERE AT 53; Former Wife of Late Italian Nobleman Succumbs to Long Illness in Her Home". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 22, 1941. p. 17. Retrieved 2020-12-22.
^ Roberts, Rob (1938-04-10). "Nobility KO's Cupid So A Princess Picks A Playboy". newspapers.com. The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana. Retrieved 2020-12-29.
^ "MRS. SHIELDS BETROTHED; Former Marina Torlonia to Be Bride of Edward W. Slater". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 1, 1950. p. 30. Retrieved 2020-12-22.
^ "MRS. M.T. SHIELDS IS WED; Former Marina Torlonia Bride Here of Edward W. Slater". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 30, 1950. p. 11. Retrieved 2020-12-22.
^ "DONNA TORLONIA WED TO FRANK X. SHIELDS; She Becomes Bride of Tennis Player in North Conway, N.H.". Times Machine, The New York Times. July 14, 1940. p. 30. Retrieved 2020-12-22.

Keep The sources listed by Jooojay above already show that WP:GNG is amply met. Nsk92 (talk) 23:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[:0-1] "PRINCESS TORLONIA DEAD HERE AT 53; Former Wife of Late Italian Nobleman Succumbs to Long Illness in Her Home". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 22, 1941. p. 17. Retrieved 2020-12-22.

[:02-2] Roberts, Rob (1938-04-10). "Nobility KO's Cupid So A Princess Picks A Playboy". newspapers.com. The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana. Retrieved 2020-12-29.

[3] "MRS. SHIELDS BETROTHED; Former Marina Torlonia to Be Bride of Edward W. Slater". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 1, 1950. p. 30. Retrieved 2020-12-22.

[4] "MRS. M.T. SHIELDS IS WED; Former Marina Torlonia Bride Here of Edward W. Slater". Times Machine, The New York Times. December 30, 1950. p. 11. Retrieved 2020-12-22.

[5] "DONNA TORLONIA WED TO FRANK X. SHIELDS; She Becomes Bride of Tennis Player in North Conway, N.H.". Times Machine, The New York Times. July 14, 1940. p. 30. Retrieved 2020-12-22.

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