Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mat Noron

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The result was delete. bd2412 T 20:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mat Noron

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG. He has not played in a fully pro league and his one appearance for Cambodia was not a Tier 1 match, meaning the article also fails WP:NSPORT. PROD was contested by an IP without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:45, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - While it is a Tier 1 match that he played for in Cambodia v Laos (a tier 1 International Match shall mean any International Match in which both of the teams participating are the “A” Representative Teams of the Members concern) it wasn't a competitive match and instead just a friendly. So still fails WP:NFOOTY Players who have played in any Tier 1 International Match, as defined by FIFA, in a competitive senior international match. NZFC^(talk) 23:03, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@NZ Footballs Conscience: You've misinterpreted the wording/punctuation of WP:NFOOTY. It'd help if it were better laid out, but what it means is:

Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in

any Tier 1 International Match, as defined by FIFA, or
in a competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or
the Olympic Games.

So notability via FIFA Tier 1 international can be in a friendly: it's the confederation level matches that have to be competitive, e.g. matches involving Gibraltar in Euro qualifing before they were admitted to FIFA. The wording was updated with this edit following a discussion here. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:57, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While the users in the above two !votes cite WP:NFOOTBALL in their arguments for deletion, I'm going to use it to reason the article be kept. Per criterion one, players who have played in a "Tier 1 International Match, as defined by FIFA" are presumed notable. Both the team he played for and their opponent are FIFA affiliated. Why NFT list the match as a "Non Fifa match" I don't know. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why the match wasn't sanctioned at tier 1, but it clearly wasn't. According to the FIFA website, Cambodia have played only one official match this year, an Asian Cup Qualifier against Afghanistan that Noron didn't play in. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Noron won his first cap in a friendly against Laos: [1]. I cannot determine whether this game was a Tier 1 match or not. Several reputable websites have the game listed. Others, such as FIFA's, do not. The ones that mention the game show Noron started, but only played 27 minutes. Because of the difficulty of determining whether he qualifies for WP:NFOOTY, and because I can't find anything WP:GNG (albeit with a language barrier), I'm going to vote delete on WP:TOOSOON grounds. SportingFlyer talk 05:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on previous analysis as above, appears he doesn't qualify as he hasn't played a proper league match. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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